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PostPosted: 19:05 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Where could I get a small amount of conc. nitric acid? Reply with quote

Concentrated, not fuming.

It's one of those chemicals you need to jump through many hoops to get hold of through official channels and i don't really want or need 2.5 litres.

I have a carb with a brass screw irrevocably stuck and in a near impossible place to get a drill on. I know conc nitric will dissolve brass but not aluminium. Pretty quickly too.

I was wondering if anyone knows of any industrial processes that use it who might be prepared to sell me a little if I knocked on the door and asked nicely. Maybe electroplaters or similar? I have a mate who is a goldsmith, he uses it but his is all pre-mixed aquaregia which is mixed with HCl and that stuff dissolves almost everything.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the law has changed in the last few years after that spate of acid attacks. I think you have to have some sort of hazardous substances license now or something.
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PostPosted: 20:49 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the chemistry department of a local college? Buy a lecturer a beer Smile
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PostPosted: 20:59 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
I think the law has changed in the last few years after that spate of acid attacks. I think you have to have some sort of hazardous substances license now or something.


It's always been difficult to get conc nitric on account of how it is used to make high explosives.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Special order from a pharmacy?
Does this still apply? -

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/696133/Poisons_and_chemicals-_Pharmacy_guidance_2018.pdf

As a vet I thought you’d have access to all sorts of odd stuff.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Special order from a pharmacy?
Does this still apply? -

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/696133/Poisons_and_chemicals-_Pharmacy_guidance_2018.pdf

As a vet I thought you’d have access to all sorts of odd stuff.


That states you need a home office licence.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Re: Where could I get a small amount of conc. nitric acid? Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Maybe electroplaters or similar?


My first proper job was as a lab tech in an electroplating plant, and we didn't use nitric. But we only did a limited range of plating, so it's possible it's used in processes we weren't doing. On the other hand, in my experience most electroplaters would probably give you a small amount of something if you asked nicely and seemed like you knew what you were doing, they don't get many visitors on account of the smell. Very Happy

But you'd probably have to go round in person to ask, as ringing up and asking if they keep conc nitric on site is likely to go down badly for reasons you've already mentioned.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I thought you might have one in your line of work. So you could buy material to euthanise an animal but you can’t buy nitric acid?
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 15 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further research indicates I may well be able to make my own if I get the appropriate glassware. Thinking
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 16 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Further research indicates I may well be able to make my own if I get the appropriate glassware. Thinking


Are you going to go full Cody Reeder? Laughing

Glassware is cheap enough from China, Sulfuric acid used to be used as a drain cleaner so that's worth investigating, potassium nitrate (or at a pinch any nitrate salt) from meat curing suppliers - probably eBay.

Simple enough reaction

H2SO4 + KNO3 -> HNO3 + KHSO4

Pull the nitric acid off with distillation using a leibig condenser, then redistill with a fractionating column to drive off the water and concentrate the solution.

I did this at school all those years ago Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 16 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:

Are you going to go full Cody Reeder? Laughing


In fairness, I've never been far away from that anyway.

But obviously, I don't have a big bottle of sulphuric acid, because that would be illegal. Shifty

It did occurr to me that as a workaround for sulphuric, you could probably pull the plates from an old battery, put the top back on then go and get it "filled" at a motor factors.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 16 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Further research indicates I may well be able to make my own if I get the appropriate glassware. Thinking


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PostPosted: 12:33 - 16 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ammonia and hydrogen peroxide any help?
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 16 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Ammonia and hydrogen peroxide any help?


Not really.

The sulfuric acid/nitrate salt is the usual way to make it.

There's another method that uses hydrochloric acid, a nitrate salt and copper to produce NO2 which is then bubbled through water to make HNO3.

Thinking

Actually that method might be easier - HCL is readily available in 37/38% concentration...
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 17 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:24 - 18 Jul 2022    Post subject: Re: Where could I get a small amount of conc. nitric acid? Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Concentrated, not fuming.

It's one of those chemicals you need to jump through many hoops to get hold of through official channels and i don't really want or need 2.5 litres.

I have a carb with a brass screw irrevocably stuck and in a near impossible place to get a drill on. I know conc nitric will dissolve brass but not aluminium. Pretty quickly too.

I was wondering if anyone knows of any industrial processes that use it who might be prepared to sell me a little if I knocked on the door and asked nicely. Maybe electroplaters or similar? I have a mate who is a goldsmith, he uses it but his is all pre-mixed aquaregia which is mixed with HCl and that stuff dissolves almost everything.


What concentration do you want it? I can dilute it down from fuming but the problem is then sending it on to you.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 18 Jul 2022    Post subject: Re: Where could I get a small amount of conc. nitric acid? Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:

What concentration do you want it? I can dilute it down from fuming but the problem is then sending it on to you.


I may have found a way to get a drill on it by more conventional means. which in fairness, there has to be because someone drilled the hole in the first place. It means a lot of pissing about with a pin vice with tiny drills gradually increasing in size. I've got about halfway down with a 1mm drill which seems mostly in the centre so far.

I'll let you know if I fuck it up!
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Re: Where could I get a small amount of conc. nitric acid? Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


I'll let you know if I fuck it up!


Will that require another thread?

Asking for a friend.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Re: Where could I get a small amount of conc. nitric acid? Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:


I'll let you know if I fuck it up!


Will that require another thread?

Asking for a friend.


It would, but being as it's M6x0.5, failure probably be catastrophic.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 21 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Acid was far easier to get hold of when I was at art school in the 70s Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 25 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could ask these guys to do it for you. Wink
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MarJay wrote:
I think the law has changed in the last few years after that spate of acid attacks. I think you have to have some sort of hazardous substances license now or something.


The offensive weapons act did that and more which isn't going to stop gangs <strike>stealing it</strike> buying it off the shelves nor would they be bothered if it was impure so long as it does it's job and it would have only been applied England if it wasn't for the SNP shits.

We also can't get borax for some odd reason. No more fun slime. Sad

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Coincidentally, borax was banned in Australia in 1981 when they instituted a regulation that declared boron* and its compounds to be poisons in any concentration. This was after a pharmaceutical company was approached to market and distribute a boron based tablet for arthritis.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 25 Jul 2022    Post subject: Re: Where could I get a small amount of conc. nitric acid? Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


I may have found a way to get a drill on it by more conventional means. which in fairness, there has to be because someone drilled the hole in the first place. It means a lot of pissing about with a pin vice with tiny drills gradually increasing in size. I've got about halfway down with a 1mm drill which seems mostly in the centre so far.

I'll let you know if I fuck it up!


Well. Success, without needing acid after all. Pissing on with manual drill chucks though Evil or Very Mad Someone needs to invent a palm-shaped thrust bearing. I landed up using a leather pad so I didn't drill a hole in my own hand with the handle of the chuck/vices.

Landed up taking it out to 4.5mm entirely by hand at which point I was able to extract the end of the jet using a cocktail stick and superglue. Then some percussive maintainance with a very fine punch to buckle the remaining ring of thread in and extract it and the little bastarding o-ring with a subgingival dental scaler (fine hooky-thing).

That was a total ball ache. It would probably have been quicker to make nitric.
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PostPosted: 08:36 - 26 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although the need has been and gone now, if the need ever arises again I'd have thought the easiest thing to do would be to identify a business that uses conc nitric acid, then take the carb to them and offer a few notes for them to apply the acid in their own facility? That way no rules broken so they're more likely to comply plus they'll have the PPE.
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 26 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThunderGuts wrote:
Although the need has been and gone now, if the need ever arises again I'd have thought the easiest thing to do would be to identify a business that uses conc nitric acid, then take the carb to them and offer a few notes for them to apply the acid in their own facility? That way no rules broken so they're more likely to comply plus they'll have the PPE.


Unlikely. Risk contaminating their own facility? Risk possible lawsuits? Ha. Things aint what they used to be, and actually I think I'd probably rather live in today's world, on balance.
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 26 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmoan wrote:


We also can't get borax for some odd reason. No more fun slime. Sad



How much do you want?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313&_nkw=borax&_sacat=0

I bought 4 kg last year no problems whatsoever.
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