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PostPosted: 12:46 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: 2Ts Reply with quote

How many of you would still like to own a good two stroke motorcycle?
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, the typical power band of a 2T is a metaphor for the ownership experience; very entertaining but in a very specific way. As I don't have either infinite funds or garage space, that means I can't afford to have such specialised machinery, so the answer for me is "no". However, that is the only blocker - if I had the space/money/time to ride more bikes, I'd have one, even if just for the nostalgic smell (granted, it's not easy to smell it so much while riding though).
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obviously the guy I was behind on the weekend. He'd taken a Harley (or similar) cruiser, and shoved a two stroke in it. Looked like a bog standard cruiser, but sounded (and smelled) bloody amazing. Not to mention the laugh factor of seeing a tractor but with a load of brrraaaaaaaapppp.

Don't think I'd have much of a "use" for a two stroke personally as all my riding is road (mostly commute) so the extra maintenance and lack of wide powerband would be a hinderance, but I can definitely appreciate em.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still do.

Never really got on with four strokes as I hate engine braking and even with 120 plus BHP they still ain't that mad. But they are practical and cheaper to run so needs must. Can't beat a mad 50-60 mile run out on the 350 though, shift light in every gear, doing wheelies / angles in town and generally behaving in a way that will ruin motorcycling for everyone.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course. I'd have a few if I could find space.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if I'd like to own one, but certainly interested in taking a close look and a ride on a Bultaco Metrella. Never paid any attention to these bikes when they were actually on the market, but as time has passed, I find myself strangely attracted to these machines.

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PostPosted: 15:13 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 of 5 bikes I own are 2t. I commute every day on said 2t's. Nothing wrong with them. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Of course. I'd have a few if I could find space.


Have you still got the KH1? Is it on the road?
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:
4 of 5 bikes I own are 2t. I commute every day on said 2t's. Nothing wrong with them. Embarassed


Why do you go for them?
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, how many of you would buy a brand new one, new design, new technology etc, at a similar price to current modern bikes? If not, why not, and what would make you change your mind?
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PostPosted: 15:39 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never had one, but those 250cc race bikes look fun (not that I would probably buy one)
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

t121anf wrote:
Never had one, but those 250cc race bikes look fun (not that I would probably buy one)


What about a modern version of, say, an RD350?
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

They can be fun in their own way. But all my riding is commuting. At the minute the one that does mid 70's mpg average is my main machine for economy purposes.

I was looking at the 2020 model Suzuki TS185ER as they're still made and sold in Japan and New Zealand/Austria etc - but UK Suzuki dealer at the time said it was impossible to order one. Probably due to Euro emissions maybe (?- unsure on that one as a friend of mine has a 15 plate Jawa). I don't think i'd have actually done it though, I have one already and is tax and MOT exempt so...
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They can be fun in their own way. But all my riding is commuting. At the minute the one that does mid 70's mpg average is my main machine for economy purposes.


What do you find to be their main downsides for commuting? Do you think it could be fixed with a new, modern design?
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
What about a modern version of, say, an RD350?


So this? https://www.motorcyclenews.com/bike-reviews/langen/two-stroke/2022/?itm_source=bibblio&itm_campaign=bibblio-related&itm_medium=bibblio-footer-1
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PostPosted: 16:29 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, why not? Very Happy
Except for the price! Shocked
And I wonder if a modern bike could be built with materials and technology that reduce wear and tear and servicing intervals to something a little more acceptable to more folks.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
What do you find to be their main downsides for commuting? Do you think it could be fixed with a new, modern design?

I think the main downside would be lack of low end grunt. Might be fixed with new, modern design (EFI) if lubrication and exhaust scavenging can be figured out. Traditional two strokes use ports and a pressurized crankcase to charge the cylinder with air/fuel mixture and scavenge spent exhaust gasses. This limits the effective stroke.

HP = (Torque X RPM)/5252.

Short stroke limits torque, therefore, the way to increase power is to increase RPM. This is why two stroke engines are peaky in nature. If you lengthen the stroke to get more torque, piston speeds increase beyond the point of reliability and durability. This cylinder design adversely affects output at low engine speeds, and it is pretty much baked in due to the limitations of current metelurgy. But when the revs increase and the power comes on, oh! what a thrill! Cool
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

i was gonna say i'd have another crm, but remembering the kick-only shitness of it, nah - fvck it
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coincidently I have been musing over the purchase of a KH125 (the original shape) today...
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Re: 2Ts Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
How many of you would still like to own a good two stroke motorcycle?


No.

Think of the environment. Rolling Eyes

I have a 2t chainsaw. That's more than enough to replace the sound, the power and the smell/perfume.
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Re: 2Ts Reply with quote

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No.

Think of the environment. Rolling Eyes


There's always one Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

i miss them. when i started looking for a bike a couple of years ago my first choice was 2 strokes. then i saw the price they go for now Shocked
dont think ill be getting my hands on an RG500 any time soon.

but a bike is just a toy for me. i have a car for doing the grown up stuff.

its a nice Seat Leon... fuck you xX-Alex-Xx Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:

its a nice Seat Leon... fuck you xX-Alex-Xx Mr. Green


Told you the chances of a Leon driver being a cvnt was greater than 100% Laughing
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 19 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
MarJay wrote:
Of course. I'd have a few if I could find space.


Have you still got the KH1? Is it on the road?


I have a KR1S, it's just been rebuilt but I need new inlet rubbers. A guy on the KR1S facebook group is supposed to be getting them remanufactured, but he's dragging his feet because he says there is not enough interest despite there being a thread a mile long of interested parties.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 20 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:


Have you still got the KH1? Is it on the road?


I have a KR1S


Why did I say KH1? Confused
Sorry, getting old Laughing

Yup, spares are obviously going to be more and more of a problem for these machines. We need new model two strokes!
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