When is a war not a war?

[Easy-X]

Yes, I've been a bit overly doom and gloom. Russia moving behind the old border and grumbling similar to the still current war between North and South Korea, that's a possibility - nothing resolved as such.

That said when's the last time sides were casually mentioning nukes, Cuban missile crisis?
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[Ribenapigeon]

My concern is that Putin with all the posturing and the staged referendums and putting on a cabaret show on Red Square is psychologically preparing for tactical nukes. He's one of these ars'oles looking to get into the history books and a big mushroom cloud seals the deal.

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[Ribenapigeon]

[Nobby the Bastard]

You seem toi think Democrats are left wing. They are more right wing than most right wing European parties.
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[chickenstrip]

[Ribenapigeon]

[Easy-X]

What is Left and Right Wing? (Sorry to have this discussion again!)

Bearing in mind the only difference between Fascism and Communism when you come right down to it is National vs. International. Basically the choice between oppressing the country or oppressing the world.

Right Wing? What's that?! Not seen it really.
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[chickenstrip]

[Easy-X]

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[Easy-X]

Bad ideas can usually be traced back to the French but it doesn't follow that all French ideas are therefore bad. Cheese and champagne for example

But if we do go back to where they placed the chairs the revolutionaries were on the Left and the traditionalists (conservatives) were on the Right. The point is you can't, in good faith, call Mussolini or Hitler Right-wing but you might level such a label at Putin as he seems very much against progressive and revolutionary ideas. When the TV cameras are on anyway, I doubt he really cares one way or the other while his bank accounts are being topped up.

Are the Democrats in America collectivists? I don't think so if we're looking at the old Soviet pattern of Communism however they do seem to have a lot more in common with 20^th Fascist Europe IMHO, the State and private enterprise operating hand-in-glove.
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[chickenstrip]

[Easy-X]

California is the pinnacle example of democracy not working; an electorate unqualified to vote. How dumb do have to be to swallow "Larry Elder, white supremist!" In contrast the Labour conference denounced "the chancellor's not really black" as going too far.

But with regards to the masks, from The Babylon Bee:

https://youtu.be/HlDWzN6TW5Y
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[Polarbear]

Just a thought. With Russia looking more and more likely it's going to get it's arse kicked in the end (according to the stories put about by the media) and Putin nutty enough to use WMD's. Do you thing the powers that be would tell us if he had used a tactical nuke? Could they keep it quiet, maybe to stop mass panicking and migration from around the war zone or would it be totally impossible to keep it quiet.

I'm sort of curious how much leverage governments have with media nowadays. Obviously in the past it was nigh on total control but now? could you cover that up?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Even a little nuke would trigger siesmic detectors the world over so it would be difficult to hush up.
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[Islander]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Tactical ones ren't normally air burst because if their relatively low yield.
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[Islander]

[chickenstrip]

I'm not sure that tactical nukes make much sense against the Ukrainian forces in this war anyway, since I don't think Zelensky's forces will be deploying in mass concentrations. The only place I can really see them making sense for the Russians is for a well-defended urban area.

I think it more likely that Putin might let one off in a fairly open and empty area just to demonstrate his willingness to use them.

All speculation though, as they have never been used before, and so there is no tested scenario to tell how best to deploy them. I think their original intended use was to be against massed armoured forces, as that was the expected Soviet tactic in Europe. And even then it would have been a last resort if those armoured forces had broken through conventional defences, which were also always developing - the attack helicopter in particular becoming more effective in weaponry and tactics against the armoured threat.

For Putin I think they make more sense as a terror weapon than having any real tactical value.
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[Polarbear]

I really have a horrible feeling that if someone doesn't put a bullet in his head before it's totally obvious his army is going to get forced back completely he will use one. If only for the 'I'm willing to use these if you don't stop the fighting and come to the negotiating table' scenario. Stop the fighting whle he still has control of the areas he holds now and he can claim. at least internally, to have won, and at least achieved his objectives.

Will the US be willing to play brinkmanship with a loony holding the buttons of ICBMs?
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[chickenstrip]

I think the ICBM threat only becomes real if sovereign Russian territory is threatened.
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