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| Easy-X wrote: | Whatever Bill Gates is doing it's for the benefit of Bill Gates. |
I'm not ready to say that outright yet. Some of it may be - rich man's virtue signalling, plus bound to be a bit of profit motivation; he's a businessman after all. But I still think a large part of it is naive meddling in areas in which he has no expertise, and so he is vulnerable to being played by others, although he may have gone into it with good intentions. Just because you're smart in one area of expertise doesn't mean you know anything about other things.
I do think there are plenty of people and organisations out there driven by outright greed though, both for money and power, and they are having a devastating effect on the world, being made especially easy for them by gullible and naive politicians such as Trudeau, Arderne, the Dutch fella and others. You only have to look at our own crop to see that duping them would be child's play. Throw in a little financial incentive, stroke a little ego - they're only human after all. And once you get them in deep enough, well, there must be a point of no return, especially if you hold yourself in high regard. No one likes to have their intelligence challenged, especially when they can say, "look how rich I made myself!" I mean, rich people can't be dumb, can they? 
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| M.C wrote: | if for example you were genuinely going for population control and planned to cull billions of people, like f**k would you attach your name to that. |
You would never have to admit to it if you found a reason to create policies that would actually end up killing millions, for e.g., if you claimed you were saving millions (or the planet). You could have a certain extent of plausible deniability, especially if you were in a group where others were doing the same. You might even think you were saving millions and the planet. Especially if you thought your policies were based on "the science", which has the effect of narrowing your field of view often to a disastrous extent, and over something which is fluid as more is discovered, and what was previously thought becomes challenged.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | | M.C wrote: | if for example you were genuinely going for population control and planned to cull billions of people, like f**k would you attach your name to that. |
You would never have to admit to it if you found a reason to create policies that would actually end up killing millions, for e.g., if you claimed you were saving millions (or the planet). You could have a certain extent of plausible deniability, especially if you were in a group where others were doing the same. You might even think you were saving millions and the planet. Especially if you thought your policies were based on "the science", which has the effect of narrowing your field of view often to a disastrous extent, and over something which is fluid as more is discovered, and what was previously thought becomes challenged. |
Problem is people have no issue retrospectively branding someone a c**t  , in fact the context and motivation are normally forgotten and only the act remembered. I don't think... to stick with the evil genius narrative, a Gates branded vaccine could wipe out a large amount of people and that ever be forgiven, even if he was trying to cure x in the process.
My only thought was if someone was such a megalomaniac they thought they were saving the planet or whatevs, and that people would eventually see their evil act was for the greater good. |
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Gates is just the wrong focus imo. His money may enable some of the bad shit, but Trudeau, Macron and his EU buddies, especially the Dutch crazy person, Arderne, that Sri Lanka chap...these are the cats enacting the policies...well, one down
Here, want to get really depressed? Watch this:
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It's funny, he talked about people saying he sounded like Kermit, then listened to himself and said he was horrified to realise they were right 
But in this video, it's the guy he's talking to you want to listen to (or not if you don't want to sink into the slough of despond ).
Plus, it's kinda funny when Peterson gets righteous, which he has been doing more of lately, like he's decided it's time to take the gloves off. Pretty entertaining stuff, though he's deadly serious.
And the crazy people are scared of him too. You see it in their responses to him, when they can steel themselves to try to take him on. They know he can run rings around them, and he has a huge following.
| Quote: | What I'm getting at is it's unlikely they'll unmask an evil mastermind, it's much more likely they'd ignore and try to distract from a real evil mastermind for the reasons above. |
It's about greedy powerful people protecting their wealth and power, no matter what the cost, no matter who or how many they have to steamroller over. That in my book IS evil. Could it be possible they can't see the consequences of their actions? Really? I don't buy it. No one is that dumb.
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If you want to quibble over terminology... |
That's the trap the crazy people use. No thanks. it's just a distraction from what actually matters.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | Plus, it's kinda funny when Peterson gets righteous, which he has been doing more of lately, like he's decided it's time to take the gloves off. Pretty entertaining stuff, though he's deadly serious. |
I kinda dislike that, generally I've noticed 'the change' where before you'd challenge and tear apart shitlib falsehoods, now it seems to be more "I'm right no I'm right"; a battle of doctrine and ideology 
It's like having the tools to defeat your 'enemy', then going nah we're going to mirror their tactics instead, which's why I think it feels like all the momentum has been lost.
| chickenstrip wrote: | And the crazy people are scared of him too. You see it in their responses to him, when they can steel themselves to try to take him on. They know he can run rings around them, and he has a huge following. |
He's extremely intelligent and at the risk of sounding patronising, that isn't all that common in right wing circles. Shitlibs are normally quite intelligent so tend to get the upper hand, even if it's nothing more than having superior verbal skills, until they meet someone who can dissect their arguments which they obviously really don't like
| chickenstrip wrote: | Could it be possible they can't see the consequences of their actions? Really? I don't buy it. No one is that dumb. |
The ones at the top, they know what they're doing. Their lieutenants and foot soldiers probably don't. It's connected to the above, if you can get people to follow an ideology, and then you shape said ideology you can lead them wherever you want. |
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| M.C wrote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | Plus, it's kinda funny when Peterson gets righteous, which he has been doing more of lately, like he's decided it's time to take the gloves off. Pretty entertaining stuff, though he's deadly serious. |
I kinda dislike that, generally I've noticed 'the change' where before you'd challenge and tear apart shitlib falsehoods, now it seems to be more "I'm right no I'm right"; a battle of doctrine and ideology |
i see it as a battle against an ideology, for which you're either for or against, and they leave you no other choice. I still have some conservative views and some more liberal ones, but i'm open to some persuasion where the arguments are credible.
| Quote: | It's like having the tools to defeat your 'enemy', then going nah we're going to mirror their tactics instead, which's why I think it feels like all the momentum has been lost. |
I think this has been a pitfall more for a segment of the right in the US. The right centre is now more occupied by those who were left centre and liberal.
I think the momentum is just beginning. Look at all the protests around the world against crazy people policies (in other words, look elsewhere other than MSM). I think things may get pretty ugly before they improve though.
| Quote: | | chickenstrip wrote: | And the crazy people are scared of him too. You see it in their responses to him, when they can steel themselves to try to take him on. They know he can run rings around them, and he has a huge following. |
He's extremely intelligent and at the risk of sounding patronising, that isn't all that common in right wing circles. Shitlibs are normally quite intelligent so tend to get the upper hand, even if it's nothing more than having superior verbal skills, until they meet someone who can dissect their arguments which they obviously really don't like |
Right and left are only a part of the picture though, and not even the most important part.
And you can have very highly specialised intelligence, and still be dumb in other areas. An example: a brilliant scientist who doesn't know anything about what makes people tick psychologically, culturally, humanly.
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The ones at the top, they know what they're doing. Their lieutenants and foot soldiers probably don't. It's connected to the above, if you can get people to follow an ideology, and then you shape said ideology you can lead them wherever you want. |
Agree with that*. Especially true when you control the information outlets and institutions that people have become attached to and reliant on for years.
*except I think deep down, many of the 'lower ranks' have an inkling that what they're doing and saying isn't good. Some do suss it and turn away. Others can't afford the damage to ego from admitting they're wrong.
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| chickenstrip wrote: | i see it as a battle against an ideology, for which you're either for or against, and they leave you no other choice. I still have some conservative views and some more liberal ones, but i'm open to some persuasion where the arguments are credible. |
In a word zealotry I'm the same, most 'normal' people are that way; they have a collection of typically left & right wing views. Towards either end of the political spectrum you see more doctrine, zealotry and associated derangement.
Unfortunately one side seems to have weaseled their way into some influential positions (the media, academia, entertainment industry etc..).
In terms of being persuaded yes, although it was being inquisitive and looking into shitlib stories in the MSM (years back now), when I realised they were at best half truths and worst downright lies. Now I spot it a mile off and have no patience for it.
| chickenstrip wrote: | I think this has been a pitfall more for a segment of the right in the US. The right centre is now more occupied by those who were left centre and liberal. |
It's and unfortunately that influences everyone else, I wish we would just ignore the US, but the whole world looks up to them for some bizarre reason.
You're right a lot of people have moved over but I'm not sure where it comes from, as it seems to be more a hardening of views, which's exactly what happened to 'the left'.
As I alluded to above and have mentioned previously, you used to get a certain amount of truth, now there seems to be as much zealotry and subsequent contradictions/inconsistent narratives as the far-left
| chickenstrip wrote: | I think the momentum is just beginning. Look at all the protests around the world against crazy people policies (in other words, look elsewhere other than MSM). I think things may get pretty ugly before they improve though. |
The resistance against vaccines and lockdowns was I think just because it was so atrocious and extremely illiberal. Whether we want to admit it or not we have got used to living in liberal societies, and you wouldn't expect f'ing vaccine mandates.
That was across the political spectrum though. In terms of what side is 'winning', things have gotten worse in the last few years IMO, and I don't think we have the time for things to get really bad.
| chickenstrip wrote: | Especially true when you control the information outlets and institutions that people have become attached to and reliant on for years. |
I genuinely can't believe it still works. It's definitely less effective but people still fall for it 
| chickenstrip wrote: | I think deep down, many of the 'lower ranks' have an inkling that what they're doing and saying isn't good. Some do suss it and turn away. Others can't afford the damage to ego from admitting they're wrong. |
...and some don't care. I very much doubt anyone with a moral compass gets anywhere near a position of power or influence. They might begrudgingly accept you as fodder, then toss you aside when you step out of line ('the left' does this a lot). |
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| chickenstrip wrote: | I think the momentum is just beginning. Look at all the protests around the world against crazy people policies (in other words, look elsewhere other than MSM). I think things may get pretty ugly before they improve though. |
The resistance against vaccines and lockdowns was I think just because it was so atrocious and extremely illiberal. Whether we want to admit it or not we have got used to living in liberal societies, and you wouldn't expect f'ing vaccine mandates. |
Let me just respond to this point for now.
Yes, lockdown and threatened mandatory medical procedures opened a lot of people's eyes to what their governments were capable of, how authoritarian they could easily slide into being, but I think we are seeing some signs of that moving into the climate change alarmism thing now, and the current crop of protests are often more to do with that, transferring over as it were, as that authoritarianism is applied to other 'concerns'.
But I think the Covid responses alerted people to the potential problems of overbearing governments, and they might be quicker to react now. I think we are seeing the first evidence of that, for those who are not still hypnotised by MSM anyway ("Oh the hypnotised never lie!").
People don't think all these ideas are nonsense at base, recognising there is some validity in the idea that massive pollution is going to eventually have some seriously harmful effects. But they do think the overreactions are crazy and ill-thought-through, if they have been thought through at all. There's much hope in that.
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With lockdowns and vaccines countries like Sweden pretty much ignored it, and Italy, Austria, even we had vaccine mandates of some sort planned and/or implemented. You can even look at how Australia and New Zealand reacted with lockdowns, Canada too.
To labour the point I think for a lot of people this was the first realisation of how truly illiberal our countries have become.
With climate change it's cos people have realised how the policies (eg: banning petrol/diesel cars) are going to destroy their quality of life, and even ability to put food on the table.
If it wasn't for that I doubt they'd care about (for example), the utterly illegolical narrative that we cause climate change, therefore we must move people from the third to first world, even though that would surely make things worse? 
People rarely see or care about the bigger picture, and normally only care about what they can see directly affecting them (usually in the short term as well). |
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Well, if the alarmists and the politicians who get suckered by them go on the way they are, it's sure going to be affecting them soon.
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Inflation in all areas: money printer go brrrr and open door policy on immigration* pretty much a perfect storm for fucking ppl over
Printing more money with an unchanging population wouldn't be too bad: up taxes, up interest rates, cut government spending, the traditional route to lowing inflation. But now we have to spread the money across more people so the upshot is inflation has affected costs but not wages. Now the normal deflationary techniques won't be acceptable to the plebs.
I suspect the WEF are trying to impoverish the people to the point where guillotines and scaffolds are too expensive to build
*except for ppl who would actually be useful or culturally similar to the indigenous population.
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| M.C wrote: | Precisely, had they not spent the last ~25 years importing as many people as possible, and destroying everyone's standard of living, folk would be more willing to make sacrifices. Asking a beleaguered people to give up what they're already struggling to attain isn't going to go down well.
Covid was the same; treat people with absolute disdain whilst asking for their cooperation. |
Stiil think your "shitlibs" are intelligent?
Turns out they're often dumber than the rest of us, for all their lettered qualifications.
The words "academic" and "intellectual" have gone very sour.
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Further to the demographic changes in Russia possibly driving the current* Ukrainian conflict, take a look at the population pyramids for these in turn:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_France
Relatively uniform with the Baby Boomers slightly older in USA, us in the middle, France a bit younger. The tailing off on new births is a bad trend - the one ppl have been talking about for the last decade - but nothing we couldn't claw our way back from if some effort was put into it.
Now check these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Italy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany
The Boomers are much more significant. Italy is utterly fucked but who cares, Germany though is much more worrying - what happens when all the old gits retire? And this is one impending doom is happening at the same time as Russia has cut the gas and oil 
But back to the original point:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Russia
Some of the stuff in the video, pointedly the lack of conscripts in the future, doesn't seem to bear out. If anything Russia are at a low point for 18 to 25 year olds with another flourish of impressionable muppets available in the next ten years. But the point about old-skool Soviet trained engineers all disappearing stands. The Glasnost Generation seem to be Russia's greatest strength demographically, are they up to snuff?
Finally, just for a bit of fun, China:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China
Jeez Louise, that's some hell scape of planning! Bitch as we will over the overcompensation with mass migration for our falling birth rate at least the equation is easy to balance. You can't cover gaps in the tens of millions with a slightly looser visa policy
To a greater or less extent most Western countries can get away with a bit of demographic vampirism (the USA's entire existence is based on it.) But China is exceedingly racist and neither the plebs or the party could stomach importing foreigners on a large scale.
*Putin will obviously not stop there.
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