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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | NATO won't get involved until a NATo country is threatened.
To date in the Ukrainiane issue no NATO country has been treatened. |
I think you mean attacked, not threatened. Putin has been throwing threats around like confetti. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Having just chcked, Arcticle 5 does actaually say attacked.
Arguably the Nord stream stuff is in scope.
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Who actually owns the Nord stream stuff? I presumed it was Russia via Gazprom. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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However likely it might be that it was down to the Russkies, war is a fairly serious business. They'd need pretty solid evidence to take military retaliation for that, especially given the kind of power we'd be facing.
I hope no one is quick to look for an excuse for war with Russia. The situation in Ukraine is bad enough. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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I am struggling to believe the Russians blew up their own pipe when they could have just continued to blame shut down on sanctions or just kept the tap off anyway without giving any reason.
If they wanted to blow it from inside or outside why go almost to Denmark to do it.
That area would be a lot easier to get near from the west wouldn't it.
We also have at least two videos of Biden and some other US spokesman literally threatening to close it down permanently. The US was never keen on it and they also benefit from shipping gas to Europe. |
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doggone wrote: | I am struggling to believe the Russians blew up their own pipe when they could have just continued to blame shut down on sanctions or just kept the tap off anyway without giving any reason.
If they wanted to blow it from inside or outside why go almost to Denmark to do it.
That area would be a lot easier to get near from the west wouldn't it.
We also have at least two videos of Biden and some other US spokesman literally threatening to close it down permanently. The US was never keen on it and they also benefit from shipping gas to Europe. |
That was Olaf Scholz, the German Chancellor, back in February.
Wouldn’t the Germans have just closed the tap? Why destroy it?
Russia likes to play mind games and seems happy to self-harm. |
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Wikipedia have quite a detailed article on the pipelines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Nord_Stream_gas_leaks
Key points: 99.99% certainty they - both Nord Stream 1 & 2 - were blown up deliberately with the latter damaged in two separate places 100km apart with almost exactly 17 hours between explosions, 2:03am & 7:03pm. One could believe the explosives were started at a specific times on a 3 minute fuse; only the military would be so unimaginative.
Whilst the locations are at the Sweden/Denmark end they were carefully chosen to still reside in International waters. No problem for anyone to send technical divers to assess the damage especially considering there are other pipelines, comms and power cables in the area.
Russian warships and subs have been all over that area in the usual "wot? we never strayed into your territorial waters!" cat and mouse game. This is the upside of of the Russians being dickheads all the time, easily conceals when they want to do naughty shit. As to "why would the Russians blow up their own pipeline?" well it's not Putin's pipeline. It'd run more like Al Capone burning down a restaurant he part owns for the insurance money.
Conversely NATO ships and submarines are all over the Baltic Sea all the time so either side would have the means, motive and opportunity to blow up the pipelines.
All we can hope for is Sweden to discover an explosive on Nord Stream 1 that failed to detonate as I doubt tracing the chemicals used in the explosives will be very easy in 100m of sea water. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Islander wrote: | Would you prefer a letter guaranteeing peace in our time? Because you know we can really trust Putain and his glovepuppets to keep their word. |
Chamberlain always gets slagged off but my granddad was in the army at the time and his opinion was that we were woefully ill-prepared for a war at that exact point and "the piece of paper" - intended or not - was a useful delaying action.
Anyhoo, what would you suggest? Let Ukraine into NATO, potentially triggering WWIII, in the hope that a united show of force would either get Putin to relent or get him deposed. Not let them into NATO, maintain the precarious status quo but in doing so send a message to Putin we're not that serious. Go for a peace treaty? Good luck with getting either the Ukrainians to concede yet more territory or Putin to give up land he got fair and square in an open an honest referendum.
As far as I can tell these are the only options that don't get everyone killed. And when I say everyone I mean all major cities in the first week and the rest of the human race in the following nuclear winter. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I agree, it seems pretty obvious to us but we have to consider what Biden wants (or at least the people working his strings.) Are they stupid enough to go with "war will help us win the mid-terms" ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I can see this going south but not in a WW3 type way. I can see some Russian general letting a tactical nuke or chemical weapon off the line which will be the green light to move in with a first Gulf war style campaign of overwhelming airstrikes, destroying or pushing all Russian units back behind the original border then giving logistical backup for the Ukranian ground forces take over at the new line.
We haven't seen much airpower come into play and I think the Russian forces are woefully out-teched in this regard. Yes they have some cutting edge tech, but the ground offensive has shown they don't have as much of it as we were lead to believe and even less is actually working. The tank war scenario has also proven that all the Western tech was purpose designed to counter Russian materiel and does it very well. It wouldn't be anything like going head-to-head with the current stand-off capabilities.
That would leave Russia back at their day 1 position with massive losses and hugely depleted capability. Would Putin survive that or would they just wind their neck in and consolidate their existing border? I think they'd see that nuking Ukraine wouldn't achieve any of their stated goals and sulk behind a new iron curtain for another 30 years. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 205 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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