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PostPosted: 18:48 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: St Helens test centre WA9 1NS eyesight test wrong distance Reply with quote

I read that the eyesight test is done from 20 metres. Well today I watched a couple of people were asked to do this from 25 metres!!!
They were asked to stand on the kerb that runs directly next to where it says car test parking and asked to read a number plate from the cars parked where it says Examiner parking, now if you measure this distance on google maps it is 25 metres!!! The accuracy of the measurement can be confirmed by measuring the distance using the same tool on google maps on the tarmacked area behind the test centre of the HGV reversing area which is marked out in metres and WILL be accurate. I wonder how many people have wrongly failed the eyesight test and failed their test straight away?
AS another guide the DVSA website says that 20 metres is about the same as 8 parking bays, there are 7 at this site.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair if you can't pass the test at 25m but you can at 20m I still think you should have gone to Specsavers, coz your eyesight would be very poor.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool story.

Minimum distance. 25 metres is pretty reasonable and anyone that's going to fail isn't going to leave at that and not get the tape measure out.

Odd first post. Any other bitching you want out of the way before we see what your minerals are like?
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are really missing the point, the legal requirement is 20 metres, so would you be happy if plod stopped you for speeding at 22 mph in a 30 mph( 25% under the speed limit) the LEGAL requirement is 20 metres, how many have they failed because they have used the wrong distance, its not a case of whether you can read one at 25m or not, if someone fails this test because of the wrong distance, they have WRONGLY failed.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganlearner wrote:
You are really missing the point, the legal requirement is 20 metres, so would you be happy if plod stopped you for speeding at 22 mph in a 30 mph( 25% under the speed limit) the LEGAL requirement is 20 metres, how many have they failed because they have used the wrong distance, its not a case of whether you can read one at 25m or not, if someone fails this test because of the wrong distance, they have WRONGLY failed.

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PostPosted: 20:08 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Cool story.

Minimum distance. 25 metres is pretty reasonable and anyone that's going to fail isn't going to leave at that and not get the tape measure out.

Odd first post. Any other bitching you want out of the way before we see what your minerals are like?

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PostPosted: 20:08 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving lessons are what forced me to get glasses, having been in myopic denial in my teens. They’ve been done a favour.

Edit: you’ve been done a favour. Wink

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PostPosted: 20:28 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I foresee a long and fruitful time on this forum for you Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You didn't have your glasses on when you watched a couple of people do an eyesight test, did you?

Why would there be a couple of people doing their sight test at the same time?
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganlearner wrote:
You are really missing the point, the legal requirement is 20 metres, so would you be happy if plod stopped you for speeding at 22 mph in a 30 mph( 25% under the speed limit) the LEGAL requirement is 20 metres, how many have they failed because they have used the wrong distance, its not a case of whether you can read one at 25m or not, if someone fails this test because of the wrong distance, they have WRONGLY failed.


Like Jimbo, doing my CBT/DAS is the only reason I finally sorted my glasses after 15 years. Yep, stupid.

Anyhoo…doing my DAS I also got a rubber bone award because I was wondering why they had ‘reserved’ parking spaces with the car number plates on them Neutral

My top tip with regard to this, my instructor said, many times, regarding things that were ‘wrong’ with regard to other motorists where I was clearly correct - ‘Yeah, but do you want to be dead right?’. If you are going to ride a bike you need to anticipate everyone else getting it wrong, and then let it go.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganlearner wrote:
You are really missing the point, the legal requirement is 20 metres, so would you be happy if plod stopped you for speeding at 22 mph in a 30 mph( 25% under the speed limit) the LEGAL requirement is 20 metres, how many have they failed because they have used the wrong distance, its not a case of whether you can read one at 25m or not, if someone fails this test because of the wrong distance, they have WRONGLY failed.


Thats not what happens though. On test, the examiner guesstimates the distance first time, if you can't read it, he/she tries again. Then, they get the tape measure out, and, measure it properly. Then,and, only then, will you fail the eyesight test.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganlearner wrote:
You are really missing the point, the legal requirement is 20 metres, so would you be happy if plod stopped you for speeding at 22 mph in a 30 mph( 25% under the speed limit) the LEGAL requirement is 20 metres, how many have they failed because they have used the wrong distance, its not a case of whether you can read one at 25m or not, if someone fails this test because of the wrong distance, they have WRONGLY failed.


If I was stopped for 22 in a 30 and they said I was speeding when I wasn't, then I'd challenge their evidence.

Same applies on this.

If you're really so pissy about a few metres on an eyesight test you have to come on to a forum you've never used to bitch about it, I think you're the one with the attitude problem that probably needs to question a bit more about what their life is about.
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having just looked at the stats - it's such a piddly small amount that it's hardy worth noting let alone whinging about. I suspect this is all tests rather than Motorcycle only but the principle of the matter is exactly the same.

Only 575 people in a near entire calendar YEAR failed on eyesight, versus 1.6 MILLION tests with 865k total failures and that includes the 575 people that were retarded enough to rock up without having tested their eyesight before thinking about driving.

Non story. Move on.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You didn't have your glasses on when you watched a couple of people do an eyesight test, did you?

Why would there be a couple of people doing their sight test at the same time?


I stayed for a little while because it didn't look right, I drive a 16.5 metre HGV so I have a good idea what 20 metres looks like without measuring it, I confirmed the measurement when i got home, incidentally I don't need glasses and am good up to just under 2 Hgv lengths.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganlearner wrote:
I have a good idea what 20 metres looks like without measuring it


It's like a porn star measuring tape only on a larger scale.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it didn't directly affect you why are you going to the trouble of making an account on a notoriously unforgiving forum to bitch about it.

Surely a letter.to the times would be more appropriate for this level of abuse of power by an official.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

pbt wrote:
wiganlearner wrote:
You are really missing the point, the legal requirement is 20 metres, so would you be happy if plod stopped you for speeding at 22 mph in a 30 mph( 25% under the speed limit) the LEGAL requirement is 20 metres, how many have they failed because they have used the wrong distance, its not a case of whether you can read one at 25m or not, if someone fails this test because of the wrong distance, they have WRONGLY failed.


Thats not what happens though. On test, the examiner guesstimates the distance first time, if you can't read it, he/she tries again. Then, they get the tape measure out, and, measure it properly. Then,and, only then, will you fail the eyesight test.


Fair enough, thank you for the sensible reply it is much appreciated Smile
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PostPosted: 21:36 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
If it didn't directly affect you why are you going to the trouble of making an account on a notoriously unforgiving forum to bitch about it.

Surely a letter.to the times would be more appropriate for this level of abuse of power by an official.

Opened an account as a new biker hoping to be welcomed to the fold with open arms to gain experience and and advice about biking going forward, but it looks like it is going to be a cesspit like the rest of the net. Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Opened an account as a new biker hoping to be welcomed to the fold with open arms to gain experience and and advice about biking going forward, but it looks like it is going to be a cesspit like the rest of the net. Middle Finger


You came onto a forum to whinge and when nobody held your point of view, you got all pissy about it.

There's great people here (even those that I can often disagree with) and there's a wealth of knowledge. If you're not being welcomed into the fold it's because you did you, not because we did us.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
wiganlearner wrote:

Opened an account as a new biker hoping to be welcomed to the fold with open arms to gain experience and and advice about biking going forward, but it looks like it is going to be a cesspit like the rest of the net. Middle Finger


You came onto a forum to whinge and when nobody held your point of view, you got all pissy about it.

There's great people here (even those that I can often disagree with) and there's a wealth of knowledge. If you're not being welcomed into the fold it's because you did you, not because we did us.


No whinging just pointing out LEGAL requirements you are obviously the resident troll Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

wiganlearner wrote:

Opened an account as a new biker hoping to be welcomed to the fold with open arms to gain experience and and advice about biking going forward, but it looks like it is going to be a cesspit like the rest of the net. Middle Finger


stick around for a while and dont be so touchy. some people like to bait newcomers.
its a fun and helpful place once you get used to it, and worth the effort.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No whinging just pointing out LEGAL requirements you are obviously the resident troll Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger


If I was the troll I have to say right now I'm feeling like I've done a fabulous job so thank you Laughing

575 people out of 1.6m tests failed on eyesight 2019 into 2020, mainly youngsters so it's unlikely as hell it's because they were 25 metres away rather than 20, even by your clunky measurement. Much more likely they hadn't actually thought about their eyesight before arriving at the test centre - rookie error.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/704878/response/1685187/attach/html/5/IA.01230.20%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html


Good luck with your biking career. Might suggest grow thicker skin because as / when you do come off (we all do at least once) you might need it.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
wiganlearner wrote:

No whinging just pointing out LEGAL requirements you are obviously the resident troll Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger Middle Finger


If I was the troll I have to say right now I'm feeling like I've done a fabulous job so thank you Laughing

575 people out of 1.6m tests failed on eyesight 2019 into 2020, mainly youngsters so it's unlikely as hell it's because they were 25 metres away rather than 20, even by your clunky measurement. Much more likely they hadn't actually thought about their eyesight before arriving at the test centre - rookie error.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/704878/response/1685187/attach/html/5/IA.01230.20%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html


Good luck with your biking career. Might suggest grow thicker skin because as / when you do come off (we all do at least once) you might need it.

Ok maybe it will be fun to stick around, and good luck with the rest of yours. Cool
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest the legal minimum. Is a minimum. Some of people's driving is so awful its dangerous and its down to the fact they have poor eyesight.

Tbh being able to read a number plate at 20m is a shite way to test eyesight and doesn't take into account a massive number of eye conditions.


Just remember, when someone says 'sorry mate, I didn't see you' it hurting a lot more on a bike than it does in an hgv so most motorcyclists would be in favour of tightening of the eyesight rules.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 29 Jul 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Varifocals ftw. Cool
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