Ukraine war and when Russia will collaps?

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One potential benefit, with Western nations especially the US depleting their stockpiles, we'll probably be safe from other stupid wars and 'regime changes' for a while.

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Generally tanks aren't used for regime change, typically they are bombed back to the stone age before boots are on the ground. In addition most places where the Yanks/Brits have gone in didn't have the equivelent tech stuff we did so tanks, tank killers, long range missiles and air defence systems aren't really needed.

Conversely the stuff going to Ukraine is to go up against more equivelent tech (though it appears to be still be superior in most cases) So they want tanks, tank killers, long range missiles and air defence systems.

So in summary, the stuff being depleted wouldn't stop the Yanks/us from going into some sandy hell hole.
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Nobby the Bastard · Harley Gaydar Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Karma :

Not many tank battles in Afganistan, Libya or Syria involving the yanks though.

Iraq had T72s, the same as Russia are using for the most part so close to equivelent tech.
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So we wouldn't need what we're giving the Ukrainians, even though Ukraine is facing similar equipment? Got it.

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No just pointing out you contradicted yourself Laughing

You'll note I said Iran because that appears to be what they've been building up to Wink

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The Israelis seem to do air strikes with impunity over Iran, no reason why we can't do the same and as already stated we prefer to attack armour from the air and not the ground.

Typhoons rely on lots of static infrastructure which would be easily targetted with Russian missles and drones so aren't a particularly good fit.

The Gripen, which is designed to be serviced by a highly mobile infrastructure and basically uses any suitable road rather than air fields would be the airframe of choice for Ukraine.
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Nobby the Bastard · Harley Gaydar Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Karma :

To be honest if we had the appetite to invade Iran the odds are that we would just sling a load of Tomahawks at air defence systems and Revolutionary Guard bases, followed up by surgical air strikes on the leadership.
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Nobby the Bastard · Harley Gaydar Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Karma :

ISIL/ISIS basically only really had kalashnikovs and the occasional heavy machinegun. UK didn't donate any weapons apart from the bombs 'donated' by our tornados.

Thats why they were beaten so quickly and so soundly.

Syria didn't really deplete any of our allies stores of weapons and the sort of weapon that would have been useful to them are different to the sort that is useful in Ukraine as the enemy has different weapons and tactics.
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The rebels in Syria were (originally) fighting Assad.

Sophisticated weapons the U.S. military secretly provided to Syrian rebels quickly fell into the hands of the Islamic State

'The arms included anti-tank weapons purchased by the United States that ended up in possession of the Islamic State'

Nobby the Bastard · Harley Gaydar Joined: 16 Aug 2013 Karma :

There were 3 factions in Syria, rebels, ISIL and Assads forces.

Both the rebels and Assads forces (who were supported by the russians) went after ISIS.

The US have weapons to spare. The odds that they will run out due to donations to ukraine are minimal. Also, these things have a shelf life. After that the US would replace them anyway, although a lesser power that had been donated them would probably still use them.

Anti tank weapons in ISIS hands were only really a threat to Assads tanks. I know that we were using Javalins in Afganhistan but that was probably just for shits and giggles and to scare the shit out of the Taliban. 'You've got IEDs? I've got fucking anti-tank weapons, look at what it's done to your walled compound.'
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