Ukraine war and when Russia will collaps?

[Islander]

[Islander]

[Easy-X]

There's enough data collected at this point a seismologist in Indonesia could tell you where the bomb went off and who made it.
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[Raffles]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Any nuke thrown at any NATO country will cause MAD and Putin knows that.

He hasn't had the nerve to even use a tactical one at Ukraine. He's not going to throw a strategic one at us first.

Wagner in Belarus are a bigger issue. If they attack Poland that becomes something that can be plausably denied as an attack on NATO by Russia.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

The whole point of deterent is that you get back what you give.

When you know a nuke gets lobbed back you don't send one in the first place. The US wouldn't be able to stop us from doing that.

As I said, Wagner in Belarus right by Poland is a bigger problem.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

You’re missing the point. The deterrent didn’t work and there was insufficient warning to retaliate. A single NATO ally is gone. How does NATO respond?

Russia has been allowed to get away with a litany of violations: destruction of Nord Stream 2, invasion of Crimea, shoot down of Malaysian Airlines Flight 17, assassinations and incidental killings on UK soil including the the use of a nerve agent. No wonder Putin has been emboldened. Is he sane enough to step back? Who knows.

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Raffles]

[Islander]

[Islander]

[Bhud]

Why didn't Putin go in hard and heavy with tactical nukes at the start?
Why did he do his enemy a "minor injury"?

It doesn't add up and it doesn't make sense to me.

He gave Ukraine time to go and prepare an all-out defence of its territory. Ukraine took the opportunity to make alliances, obtain arms and supplies and a huge amount of money, and prepare a strong defence. At the outset, though, it wasn't so capable.

This may be a naive question, but NATO had no defensive agreements or alliance with Ukraine. Ukraine was not in a position to attack Crimea or to launch retaliatory strikes on Russian territory. Ukraine didn't even have drones, as far as I know. So, why didn't he hit all major Ukrainian cities with tactical nuclear weapons at the start?

Let's say he had. Of course, there would be fallout and damage to Russia resulting from this sudden, overwhelming nuclear attack. But Sweden would not be a NATO member. Crimea would stay theirs. The Baltic would be open for the use of Russian nuclear-armed vessels to maintain a threat level. And he would predominantly have used mercenaries rather than undermined his standing in Russia by having a call-up and then opening rifts in his command and control.

The cost of attacking gingerly using conventional means would always be allowing Ukraine to prepare a defence. And the consequence of defence would be fighting, resulting in a loss of some Russian capability as well as damage to Russian territories.

So it seems to me there is no benefit to Russia here in having held back at the outset. The incursion into the predominantly Russian regions looks like it left absolutely all of Ukraine's ability to push back unchecked. Right now, it just looks very stupid. Unless there's something more to it.

[MCN]

He didn't use Nukes at first because, as they have repeatedly demonstrated, the Ruskies are s4it at intelligence.
They expected Ukraine to crumble when they annexed the Crimean peninsula, they expected their political rule to be toppled by continuous propaganda, they mistakenly believe a4 miles of tanks, several airstrikes and threat of total invasion would cause Ukraine to surrender.
They thought the West (their perceived enemies) would sit and watch.
They say NATO is threatening Russia by placing bases in neighbouring countries.

Who much wrong can they be?
The only support for the kunts from anyone that I have actually heard, is from mad Ruskies and the dumb 'we hate the west' Zlamic pricks that I meet at work.

None of them affect world policy by reason of wit.
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[stinkwheel]

Putin considers Ukraine to be part of Russia so if he'd used nuclear weapons, it would be like nuking himself.
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[Islander]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Yep, this is why Putin was using 'Ukraine was actively seeking nukes' as a justification.
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[Easy-X]

Russian TV speculating on seaside nukes is spraying whipped cream on a turd - hardly makes the lies more palatable.
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[MCN]

[Polarbear]

People believe what they read. We believe we are right because the media says so. Russian people believe they are right because the media says so.

As they say, One mans terrorist is anothers liberator.

Too many people believe the western propaganda and this is from someone whose father was a Royal navy captain, whose stepfather was a major in the Royal engineers, whose mother was a wren and who has been in the RNR for 20 odd years.

Do you really think Russians don't believe what their new shows?

We all believe what we want to believe.
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[Easy-X]

[Polarbear]

[Easy-X]

[Polarbear]

[MCN]

FFS you two.
Get a room.

(or a cabin.)
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