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Posted: 12:19 - 05 Sep 2022 Post subject: Fixing Capitalism |
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Seems to me to be broken.
Should there even be stock markets/shareholders? The problem seems to lie in this area.
And how to divorce capitalism from the politicians? Should companies be allowed to lobby them?
And if these aren't bad things per se, how to regulate them so that they don't go to excess? ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 12:59 - 05 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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Easy-X wrote: | How do we fix something we don't even have? |
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Posted: 18:00 - 05 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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Crux of the matter I guess. Maybe there is nothing that can be done about that. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 20:41 - 05 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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Howling Terror wrote: | Professor Noam Chomsky is extremely tedious to listen to yet well worth the 3 cups of coffee required.
I plucked this one out but there's plenty more.
https://youtu.be/wJtfWZGxnGI
Christopher Hitchens is another who lifted the lid and dared to prod the contents. |
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Posted: 21:36 - 05 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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Oh FFS!!
How can you distil it without omitting details that would leave us to type at each other for the next few weeks. I don't have the time...or more honestly I'm fine with talking about it over an evening or so but I'm not the public speaker I wish, nor the capacity to fully convey the parts I understand.
That particular lecture isn't solely about capitalism but it and others by Chomsky/Hitchens are valuable and well worth putting time aside. ____________________ Diabolical homemade music Bandcamp and Soundcloud
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Posted: 00:10 - 06 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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Howling Terror wrote: |
That particular lecture isn't solely about capitalism but it and others by Chomsky/Hitchens are valuable and well worth putting time aside. |
So you want me to watch an hour and a half lecture that isn't even all on the subject at hand? M'kay...
I'm not going to have a conversation that consists of me and others posting YouTube lectures at each other am I?! What would be the point in that?
Discussion is dead - go look it up on the internet
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Easy-X wrote: | Hang on a sec, what are we even talking about here? When you say "Capitalism" is it the rigged-markets, no better than a Ponzi-scheme system we're afflicted with now or just the general concept of a free market system of assigning value to things? |
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Posted: 14:20 - 06 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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If we just keep it simple then how do you assign value to things? Hands-off and just leave a multi-actor system pejoratively declared as "greed" to ascribe value via money versus alternative systems such as the labour theory of value and artificially fixed markets
The former concept of free markets never really plays out in the West. As soon as a new market appears successful players become entrenched by lobbying the government for regulation to shut out competitors i.e. the classic "you're overcharging for your product" never gets resolved as any new entrant that would want to undercut is told they have mountain of red tape to get through first
The socialist trope of "markets are unfair" is both true and false. The markets we have are unfair but no one ever seems to propose free markets only more regulation, two wrongs don't make a right and all that. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Easy-X wrote: | If we just keep it simple then how do you assign value to things? Hands-off and just leave a multi-actor system pejoratively declared as "greed" to ascribe value via money versus alternative systems such as the labour theory of value and artificially fixed markets
The former concept of free markets never really plays out in the West. As soon as a new market appears successful players become entrenched by lobbying the government for regulation to shut out competitors i.e. the classic "you're overcharging for your product" never gets resolved as any new entrant that would want to undercut is told they have mountain of red tape to get through first
The socialist trope of "markets are unfair" is both true and false. The markets we have are unfair but no one ever seems to propose free markets only more regulation, two wrongs don't make a right and all that. |
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Posted: 18:30 - 06 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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Maybe the central problem is we rely on a system of government where the politicians value the electorate very little but lobbyist money is very clear cut. "Arise, Sir Money Bags, your contributions to the Party are greatly appreciated"
Proportional Representation, Alternative Vote, etc. would do nothing to solve anything given the choices: candidates getting on the ballot due to who they know not what they know.
"But! But! You can always vote for the other party if your representative isn't doing a good job!" a) my MP is Dominic Rabb so he's only going if he retires or gets assassinated and b) the other party is just another set of cunts in different coloured ties, i.e. no choice at all. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Posted: 19:27 - 06 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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But capitalism isn't the political system. It operates within it. I get that the system affects it (all too obvious), but it is only part of the description of how a country works. This is why I asked in my OP "how to divorce capitalism from the politicians?" Maybe it can't be done?
Conservatism is supposed to say keep taxes low and keep out of the way of business and people's lives generally (and yes I get that we haven't seen conservatism in this country in quite a while too). ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 19:53 - 06 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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I'd thought incorrectly that a little bit of a broader background may have been useful..I mean capitalism isn't just one 'thing' it's linked to other '*thingies' and has been changing for about 400 years.
Today's version is not fit for purpose and is unlikely to alter until it devours it's own tail. How could any group in society bring about alterations unless the (and I don't like to use this term what with it's connection to headtheball types) global elite could monetise it.
*businesses involvement in political systems/health/welfare/conflicts/press...you knows what I'm getting at.
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I shouldn't have started this thread. I don't have the attention span for it ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Posted: 12:09 - 07 Sep 2022 Post subject: |
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An alternative would be to pay them much more highly, but ban them from having business interests while in post.
I dunno, doing well for your country and its people ought to be motivation enough
Is there a cap on donations any individual can make to party coffers? Perhaps there ought to be. ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 227 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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