Have schools g9ne mad?

[SpiritMr89]

Earlier this week read about an Irish teacher in prison for not calling someome a made up gender.

Now my step daughter is in detention for the week for not following rules.

Can understand her telling teachers to f off or wht not. (She wouldn't dare).

List of infractions:

Wearing bag on one shouoder not 2,
Tie not correct length,
Phone falling from bag, (wife has it locked during school hours),
Wrong equipment in pencil case.

This a a bloody 11yo on her first week of secondry school.
Wife has told me, that 67 from 300kids have been put in detention, from her yr7 group.

Also 'school rule' since you'll miss the bus, you have too make your own way home.'
So if they decide, my step daughter has to walk 14mile down unlit roads, if am at work with the car.

And it is that night not next week. So if am at work 50mile away, she doesn't get a lift home.

Am I wrong for telling the wife:
If she gets detention, phone me and al pick her up. At school leave time.


Oh and if they are refused detention by parents, it is immediate suspension. So they'll walk her to the gate, ans dump her there. An 11yo lasss, who has never been in trouble, apart from twatting a bully.
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[Hetzer]

Sounds like somebody needs a 'word'.
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[Ste]

Ah, it's "home you go" season.

Will you be going to your local paper to tell them that you're fuming at the school and you are discustard that the school would let her miss the bus?

Have you thought about organising a protest outside the school? Have the school even considered the carbon footprint of detentions?

[Nobby the Bastard]

Actually he was.done for contempt of court.

An injunction was in place because he kept turning up at the school whilst suspended. He continued to do it and breached the injunction.

He did not get imprisoned for miss gendering someone.
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[Ste]

If he'd used the correct pronouns for the trans child then he wouldn't be in prison.

[P.]

lol change school.

1 strap is bad for your back and shoulder, but thats neither here nor there, silly rule.

Tie length is stipulated most likely, but again, silly.

Phone falling from bag, of course it was, definitely wasn't "using it"

Pencil case stuff is trivial...

I would have a polite word, but is it a generic secondary school or an all girls crazy rules shit.

[MarJay]

I read your post, and I thought it sounded harsh. I closed the window and then thought...

Hang on...

Are you *sure* those are the infractions? Because I know if it were me in year 7 and I went home to tell my parents how I got an after school DT I sure as hell am not going to tell them the whole unbiased unvarnished truth...
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[Ste]

There's a lot going on...

"A teacher who refused to use gender-neutral pronouns for a transgender student was jailed in Ireland for contempt of court.

Enoch Burke, an evangelical Christian, was put on paid suspension by Wilson’s Hospital School in Co Westmeath for refusing to call the pupil “they”.

He was later jailed for breaking a court order not to go to or try to teach at the Church of Ireland School.

"I love my school, with its motto Res Non Verba, actions not words, but I am here today because I said I would not call a boy a girl," he told the judge before his jailing.

The court heard on Monday that Burke had refused to stay away from the school on paid leave during the disciplinary process. Instead, he would sit in an empty classroom and declare he was there to work.

The judge told the History and German teacher he must stay in prison until he agrees to comply with the terms of the injunction, which would purge his contempt of court.

Burke said: “Transgenderism is against my Christian belief. It is contrary to the scriptures, contrary to the ethos of the Church of Ireland and of my school.

“It is insanity that I will be led from this courtroom to a place of incarceration, but I will not give up my Christian beliefs."

Lawyers for the Church of Ireland school said it was forced with “a heavy heart” to take action leading to Mr Burke’s jailing after he broke the court order it secured last week.

Earlier Burke, who represented himself, had told the court he would return to the school, despite being arrested there on Monday.

Judge Michael Quinn said he was only ruling on whether there had been a wilful breach of the court order, which is meant to prevent disruption at the school at the start of the new term, rather than on Burke’s beliefs.

"I am a teacher and I don't want to go to prison. I want to be in my classroom today, that's where I was this morning when I was arrested," Burke said in his defence.

He said it was “extraordinary and reprehensible” that his religious beliefs could lead to his suspension by the school.

He added: “Transgenderism is against my Christian belief. It is contrary to the scriptures, contrary to the ethos of the Church of Ireland and of my school.

“My religious beliefs are not misconduct. They are not gross misconduct. They never will be. They are dear to me. I will never deny them and never betray them, and I will never bow to an order that would require me to do so. It is just not possible for me to do that,” he told the court.

The school has said it is abiding by Ireland’s 2000 Equal Status Act by not discriminating against any student and was focused on the welfare of its pupils.

Burke will be back in court on Wednesday, when the injunction is to be reviewed."

sauce: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/06/teacher-jailed-row-use-pronouns-transgender-pupil/

[Easy-X]

Turning up as "available for work" sounds like some obscure point of law a lawyer or shop steward might tout, seems a strange fit here.

Given it's a CoI school it wouldn't be unusual to have a few devout teachers. Going down the whole "gross misconduct" route therefore looks a little heavy-handed. Resorting to taking out an injunction implies a complete breakdown in trust and communication between teacher and management. All the rest, as they say, writes itself

But why speculate? It pains me to say this but the only actual journalism I've found around this story comes from the Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11188359/Teacher-jailed-refusing-use-students-gender-neutral-pronoun-returns-court-today.html

Further into the article they dig into who this teacher is and you start to get a handle on his motivations. Why the school management thought an injunction was the correct route - aiding and abetting the manufacture of a martyr - rather than just firing the guy?

Silent in all this is what the pupils and parents think.
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[SpiritMr89]

[Bhud]

[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

[SpiritMr89]

[SpiritMr89]

As for the phone and stuff.

They are reallly good kids.

The wife has that lock app, so from say 0845, it is locked until 1515, so they can't use it at all. Apart from emergency 999 or the wife.

The boys mate got an hour tonight, for dropping his metal ruler (dads engineer), said to the boy, al give him my 2ft that'll be a laugh.

Fair point made in the fb thread the misus showwed me, someone sa8d:

'Prisoners have more freedom than the kids do.'

But the idiot incharge Hamster (complete nobhead), knows that by taking over both the towns 'normal' schools and leaving the grammer, then 99% of the kids won't beable to transfere out. So are stuck there.

Can't even begin to explain how it was 16yrs ago.
The teachers made up rules on the spot, then changed them when challenged or just flat out walked kids to the gates and told them theybwere suspended.

We are talking a Northern Lincolnshire school not some inner city shit tip, with kids stabbing each other.
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[Easy-X]

I mentioned this topic to my wife and apparently it's always the first week back at school: kids in "isolation" for having the wrong skirt material, kids having shoes confiscated for not being 100% the correct style... it's as if these transgressions, if witnessed by other pupils, would corrupt young minds!

Some political commentator (I forget whom) mentioned state education is based on the "Prussian System." Not that I can comment on the merit of the criticism but one can certainly see schools treat kids more like untrained troops than uneducated minds. I guess the alternative is Montessori schools
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[P.]

[SpiritMr89]

@Paddy al ask the wife for screen shots of the fb post.

But didn't know you could complain.
This is LN territory.
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[thx1138]

13 year old me would probably have got expelled in a week, sounds horrendous.

[M.C]

[SpiritMr89]

New stupidity.


The boy got an hour detention past week:

Reason:
Equipment

Actual reason:
Wife was working so was I, didn't have time to sign planner/diary.

Wife phoned up fuming.
'So when we move to *place you are expecting *name, to walk 14mile home!!!, you can f*** right off. Tell you what, it was my mistake, for BEING AT WORK' I'll come into the school and you can spank me. I like a spanking, so you better make it hard and proper' (Needless to say there is a reason a love and married her).

And she carried on.

'Unless *name, tells a teacher to 'fuck off' or 'twats a little bastard. There will be no more of this nonsense. Are we clear?'

She is 5'2 and full of fury.proper gym rat, she can pick me up (14st] acr9ss her shoulders and do zquats then lifts. She wears the trousers in this relationship.
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[Blah blah]

So looking at this the other way and just for the sake of an argument, in the first week 223 kids weren't put into detention because they got it right? And somehow it's the school's fault that others didn't follow the rules so they got punished?

Presumably you are aware there's been quite a lot recently about 'strict' head teachers stopping the little stuff (the broken window argument) and the good effect that it has on the kid's education and it seems like they're trying it here.

And signing a planner takes what, 10 seconds and you didn't have time for that? Will you or your kid forget to sign it again? Or make sure that their phone can't fall out and get damaged? Or that they have the right stuff in their pencil case so they don't disturb others asking to borrow something? Dare I say "probably not"?

Or you could go all 'Daily Mail sad face", keep arguing and see where that gets you.

And if I tried to do my job without the correct equipment and relevant bits of paper signed and dated, I wouldn't be able to do it either (but I can understand your frustration)

[Ste]

[SpiritMr89]