Pulled by police - help please

[macdaddy86]

Hi!

So today I get pulled by the police on my mt07 and they say “do you know what we’ve pulled you for?”, I’m reply “no sorry”. He tells me I had my hands off the handlebars, so I said oh sorry I was just fastening the Velcro on my glove as it was flapping around and felt loose, the Velcro has gone furry on them so sticks but undoes after a while. I was riding at the front of all traffic from a red light when I reattached the Velcro, it took about 2 seconds being generous.

I was fully cooperative with all the name, licence, insurance etc, he issued a traffic offence 291 Driver not in proper control of vehicle.

Now the problem is I got 3 points for speeding on my very first moped in 2016. So I started my full licence 18 months ago with 3 points.
I’m still within the 2 year probation and if I get 3 points I loose everything!

Has anyone got any advice please?

Thanks in advance.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Points from 2016 are long since cleared from your record. They only last for 3 years. Check your license details on the you.gov website I you doubt this.
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[MarJay]

Seek legal advice.

Were you at a standstill when you took both hands off the bars? If so, then that's an especially harsh tug and I'd be challenging it personally.
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[Ste]

As Nobby says, those three points for speeding on a moped have expired so you don't need to worry about the six point limit.

Regarding the ticket for not being in proper control of a vehicle as you securely fastened your glove whilst stationary at traffic lights, I'd go to Pepipoo for advice on how you can fight it. https://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=5

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Sounds like he was actually moving when he did it and taking both your hands off the bars for any reason whilst moving isn't something you can really fight in court.

Not in full control of the vehicle. Don't do it again.
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[macdaddy86]

Thanks for your replies, sorry got the points date wrong was during lockdown when roads were quiet in 2020. So yeah not looking great.

I had my hands if for literally a second as I thought it was the safest approach in case it slips off. I was in front of all traffic a little ahead from a stop light, so wasn’t going fast either and could see a clean clear road ahead.

I will try and appeal it if I get points as got nothing to lose really. Just gutted I’m gonna lose riding as there will be no point even reapplying for licence etc due to cost to do it all again and insurance costs.

I could try the hardship route but probably have to go court for that? As I use it to commute to and from work and it would make me late at least 45 minutes everyday after I’ve walked my child to school in morning. So obviously anybody would lose their job over that everyday.

[Nobby the Bastard]

It's careless driving you are looking at. Hardship would be avoiding a ban. Getting 6 points within 2 years of passing test is mandatory.

There's a big difference between 2018 and 2020. How the fuck did you get it that wrong?

Anyway, bang to rights. You'll probably get 6 for the careless driving so you're fucked if you had the 3 points or not.
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[Zen Dog]

[macdaddy86]

[P.]

Gloves go inside jacket. Never a problem then.

Or Knox handroid gloves. No velcro.

I've been pulled with no hands before, they just asked what I was doing out so late, I was stretching and shit, nothing happened.

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[Evil Hans]

Have you already got a full car licence? Probation period is from when you pass your first test.
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[matto]

I'd have asked them how I was supposed to do, completely legal, hand signals if I'm not allowed to take my hands off the handlebars.

Also this is useful.

https://www.bikelawyer.co.uk/site/mcn-law-columns/can-cops-pull-me-for-riding-one-handed

[Evil Hans]

[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

[yen_powell]

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[bhinso]

VelcroPal

I've never really understood the logic: On CBT you can rack up 6 points (or probably 11 for all I know) and be OK.

But do your test and you're on 'probation' limited to <6 points.

Sounds like an incentive to not bother to do the test, surely we should be encouraging the opposite.

[MCN]

What's on the lunch menu in HMP accommodations this month?

OP speak to a solicitor ASAP.

You may get legal aid to pay for it if you are not working. That's another thread.
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[Ste]

[bhinso]

[Nobby the Bastard]

It's not a disincentive to taking the test, it's a disincentive to ride/drive like a dickhead once you can ride a larger more powerful bike/go solo without a supervisor.
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