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PostPosted: 20:13 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Whodunnit? Reply with quote

The Nord Stream pipe line, who blew it up?
Who's brave enough to call it?
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

China.

But not deliberately. I'm calling shonky pipework.
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PostPosted: 20:20 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
China.

But not deliberately. I'm calling shonky pipework.


Throw it away and buy another? Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrow The Tories, obvs.
Arrow Dolphins. Don’t be deceived by their smiley faces.
Arrow Extinction Rebellion.
Arrow Joe (the fish) Biden, in person. Don’t be deceived by his portrayal of a dementia-afflicted… Ah, I’ve gone too far.
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PostPosted: 20:56 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Russia has the experience with fucking with undersea stuff with subs but the sea there isn't really deep enough for subs.

Conversely, it doesn't need specialist equipment to explode something that deep unlike fucking with comms lines plus explosions underwater propogate far further and do more damage than in air so some sort of drone.

Not sure exactly what the motive would be for Russia to do it but wouldn't put it past him to crash and burn the pipeline just because.

Can't see any players in the Baltic sea trying to increase NATO involvement either.

Also can't see anyone outside of the baltic having a drone that could go that far without detection.

So, I go with Russia.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


So, I go with Russia.


Before I went for that choice, I'd want to know a couple of things:
What kind of revenues are Russia going to lose from this, and will it affect their war fighting effort to lose them?
Yes, they lose revenues by deliberately turning off the taps to Europe, but it's somewhat less permanent, easy for them to regulate, and they get something out of it by pressuring the EU. This act, if act it is, loses them that option.
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Orange Man did it! Laughing
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the Russian leaders were rational they’d have continued trading with Europe and developed friendly relations benefitting everyone. Instead the inferiority complex is string.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
If the Russian leaders were rational they’d have continued trading with Europe and developed friendly relations benefitting everyone. Instead the inferiority complex is string.


Hmmm. Russia has power over Europe because of its mineral wealth. Ask the Germans.
I don't think it's a question of them being irrational, just they rationalise differently to us. Russians definitely don't see themselves as the same as us, politically or culturally, and I think that's where your statement comes from - assuming that they do.
Power games and struggles are not necessarily irrational. Sometimes unwise, but the lure of power over others isn't just a Russian trait.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

But how do they benefit in being deliberately, awkwardly ‘different’ when cooperation was in the offing?
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


So, I go with Russia.


Before I went for that choice, I'd want to know a couple of things:
What kind of revenues are Russia going to lose from this, and will it affect their war fighting effort to lose them?
Yes, they lose revenues by deliberately turning off the taps to Europe, but it's somewhat less permanent, easy for them to regulate, and they get something out of it by pressuring the EU. This act, if act it is, loses them that option.


One of the pipelines hadn't been in use since Russia invaded Ukraine in February and the other was switched off in August. The leak is residual gas. Putain is just about insane enough to pull a stunt like this and the outright denial blaming everyone else is the usual Russian Vicky Pollardesque response.

Of course it was the Russians.
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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One of the pipelines hadn't been in use since Russia invaded Ukraine in February and the other was switched off in August. The leak is residual gas.


I really don't know.
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
But how do they benefit in being deliberately, awkwardly ‘different’ when cooperation was in the offing?


You're still thinking as a western European. It's not easy for me either, but I have read a fair bit about Russia, and they really don't see things the same way as us, Putin or otherwise. Their experience in history has been very different to ours for a very long time.
For one thing, they remember how western "cooperation" royally screwed them over after the end of the Cold War, and that's just recent history with us.
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
For one thing, they remember how western "cooperation" royally screwed them over after the end of the Cold War, and that's just recent history with us.

How so?


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PostPosted: 22:02 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nord 2 has never been used. Nord was turned off 'because of sanctions' preventing maintenance despite a vital piece of kit flown half way round the world.

Putin realised he lost the gas war. Crash and burn and try and cause discord within NATO.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know.
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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One of the pipelines hadn't been in use since Russia invaded Ukraine in February and the other was switched off in August. The leak is residual gas.


I really don't know.


That they were out of service? It was in the news at the time. When a pipeline is switched off it's still full of whatever it's carrying - it's just that a valve somewhere upstream has been closed. The leak will stop in a week or so. As for future revenue, they can be repaired and there are diverse routes for supplying gas to Europe in the meantime.

I reckon they're worried because of Putain's veiled threat to use nuclear weapons - which despite his blustering denial is most likely a bluff. I think this was done out of desperation to try and make the west think it wasn't.

Why a bluff? Because if he were stupid enough to use that option he would lose the support of China. During the cold war there was a strong likelihood that a nuclear exchange would have involved the Soviets and China. The Chinese leadership won't have forgotten that. It would leave the Soviets Russians globally isolated apart from North Korea who are pretty insignificant anyway.
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
For one thing, they remember how western "cooperation" royally screwed them over after the end of the Cold War, and that's just recent history with us.

How so?


Western corporations effectively stealing mineral wealth among other things. Very shabby deals for the Russkies at the very least. That's how I read it anyway.
But that's a side track. The Russian mentality is different to ours. That's the point.
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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As for future revenue, they can be repaired and there are diverse routes for supplying gas to Europe in the meantime.


Interesting. The dependency on Putin continues then?
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The US

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PostPosted: 22:20 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Islander wrote:
As for future revenue, they can be repaired and there are diverse routes for supplying gas to Europe in the meantime.


Interesting. The dependency on Putin continues then?


I don't think Europe will ever be dependent on Russian gas again. Once bitten and all that.
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think Europe will ever be dependent on Russian gas again. Once bitten and all that.


But they are right now, you seem to suggest, and you have to deal with the present.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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I don't think Europe will ever be dependent on Russian gas again. Once bitten and all that.


But they are right now, you seem to suggest, and you have to deal with the present.


Yes you absolutely do. They're currently reducing their dependency on Russian fuel with the goal of removing it entirely - Putain hates that too.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It wasn't the russians or USA, it was these guys.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/montypython/images/f/ff/Spanish_Inquisition.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180629171423
or the norwegians.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 29 Sep 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just leave this here....
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