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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: yamaha xt660r Reply with quote

Anyone owned an xt660r? What're they like? I live in a hilly part of the country with lots of interesting back lanes that're badly surfaced and very narrow. As much as i love chucking the zx9r down them I'm wondering if a big trailie would be better for the rougher stuff.

Last week my nine's clutch cable snapped when I went to start it. I had to ride my klx250 (which is what i used for green laning) and meet up with the others on their road bikes. I did enjoy caning the absolute fvck out of the klx until a new cable arrived, but it's just not enough really. 4t single 250cc.

What I do like about it is its 21" front, which soaks a lot of bad road up. I also like the longer travel forks for the same reason. And, arguably best of all, I like the lack of weight.

As well as the xt660r I was thinking about a Tiger 800 XCX with the White Power suspension front and rear - but they're heavy, and they're expensive. xt660r is a lot less bike but it's also £2k cheaper. That said, those XCX Tigers can be made really plush and comfy - and comfort is a great to have.

I wondered about KTM stuff but as much as I love the idea of them I don't trust them. Plus also stuff like the 790 Adventure is dear.

So - big trailies / big singles....stuff like that. 21" fronts. I have ridden the old MT03 so I know how sh1t the fuelling can be on the XT660 - surging at low speeds and generally being a total PITA around town. I also appreciate they only make 47bhp. It's actually not even that light tbh - some owners reckon it tips the scales at over 185kg. However, I think on tight lanes it might work well with a bit of short shifting and lowered expectations. Ideally I would want 2 into 1 Akra and a Power Commander III and some dyno time. That stock 2 into 2 set up is quiet (which I like) but way way heavy with all that extra steel and internal packing. But sod it. This is all really hypothetical atm.

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PostPosted: 21:36 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like that ^^^.

Had the twitch the other week over an Aprilia Pegaso, spotted an older one that looked mint.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the xt660z? My brother has one and it seems like they are more off road oriented. I don't know how similar they are but the Z is a great bike and seems to have more than enough power from what I've seen.

Instead of a power commander have a look at the Kev's mod box you can buy, which I assume fits this too. My brother has this fitted and it seems to fix the fuel ratio. Most of the bikes he looked at already had it fitted anyway.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

ohhhh I had the older style of that. Loved it, lots of fun, took it over to [wherever ya used to go to buy fags in Belgium ... Thinking ] ... although I never took it off road. Got nicked after three weeks of owning it. Gutted-as Crying or Very sad

Had an annoying beep when the indicators were on, though.
Even I don't need that much reminding Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are three MZ baghira street motos on ebay just now. Twin carb version of the XTZ660 lump setup by ze Germans which fuels delightfully. WP shock, Marzocchi forks. High quality fittings throughout.

Front brake is a bit feeble and the headlight is pish.

With the suspension on that, you really don't need the 21" front wheel. I used tototally ignore speedbumps on mine.

I used to have one and confirm you could take utter liberties on it on pretty much any road surface. Topped out at about 100mph give or take. Would wheelie quite easily but I only did it once and made the mistake of looking down and realising how far off the ground I was.

They are not a short bike.

Not to be confused with the MZ mastiff which had shorter travel, non-adjustable suspension. But marginally better headlights.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Re: yamaha xt660r Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Ideally I would want 2 into 1 Akra and a Power Commander III and some dyno time. That stock 2 into 2 set up is quiet (which I like) but way way heavy with all that extra steel and internal packing. But sod it. This is all really hypothetical atm.

I'd say just get the KTM - or a TE610/630/etc, or maybe an original G650 if any are around still.
Sure, a bit less reliable, but massively lighter, no Dyno time etc.
I'd be considering getting them with 17" wheels if sticking to the road - you'll get more grip, but still benefit from the longer travel suspension and more upright riding style.
Or consider a SV650N - the softish suspension should handle the roads okay, middling levels of power, possibly lighter than the XTZ etc.
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PostPosted: 06:53 - 05 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
What about the xt660z? My brother has one and it seems like they are more off road oriented. I don't know how similar they are but the Z is a great bike and seems to have more than enough power from what I've seen.

Instead of a power commander have a look at the Kev's mod box you can buy, which I assume fits this too. My brother has this fitted and it seems to fix the fuel ratio. Most of the bikes he looked at already had it fitted anyway.


The z has more clearance - I don't need that. Although, maybe even longer travel suspension creates a chassis that can soak up yet more imperfections. So that definitely has some appeal. From a purely looks POV, I think the "R" is easier on the eye though.

As for the Kev mod, I've read mixed things. Some reckon that on bikes after 2007/8 it's not worth bothering with as the surging and other fuelling problems were ironed out.
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PostPosted: 06:58 - 05 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keithy wrote:
I like that ^^^.

Had the twitch the other week over an Aprilia Pegaso, spotted an older one that looked mint.


I think the box section steel swing arm looks weedy and somewhat under-engineered (the xt660z's swing arm looks more meaningful), and I would guess the forks are just damper rods with little in the way of adjustment beyond different weight fork oil experiments. I also hear that the front brake is quite poor (although ime, the goodly amount of engine braking provides some compensation). But in terms of looks alone, it does kind of do it for me. The odd twin port and the 2 into 2 arrangement seems stupid from a weight saving POV, but it definitely creates an interesting look that I like.
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PostPosted: 07:02 - 05 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Got nicked after three weeks of owning it.


Yep - that is a worry...anything with vaguely knobbly tyres, and an "off-road" look about it is on the cvunts' radar very quickly. My crm didn't last long.

hellkat wrote:
Had an annoying beep when the indicators were on, though.
Even I don't need that much reminding Laughing


obvs aftermarket, but i would love one of those
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PostPosted: 07:09 - 05 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
There are three MZ baghira street motos on ebay just now. Twin carb version of the XTZ660 lump setup by ze Germans which fuels delightfully. WP shock, Marzocchi forks. High quality fittings throughout.


That's very good to know.

stinkwheel wrote:
Front brake is a bit feeble and the headlight is pish.

With the suspension on that, you really don't need the 21" front wheel. I used tototally ignore speedbumps on mine.

I used to have one and confirm you could take utter liberties on it on pretty much any road surface. Topped out at about 100mph give or take. Would wheelie quite easily but I only did it once and made the mistake of looking down and realising how far off the ground I was.

They are not a short bike.

Not to be confused with the MZ mastiff which had shorter travel, non-adjustable suspension. But marginally better headlights.


All duly noted and my list of possible big singles has broadened accordingly. ; - )
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PostPosted: 07:15 - 05 Oct 2022    Post subject: Re: yamaha xt660r Reply with quote

G wrote:
trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
Ideally I would want 2 into 1 Akra and a Power Commander III and some dyno time. That stock 2 into 2 set up is quiet (which I like) but way way heavy with all that extra steel and internal packing. But sod it. This is all really hypothetical atm.

I'd say just get the KTM - or a TE610/630/etc, or maybe an original G650 if any are around still.
Sure, a bit less reliable, but massively lighter, no Dyno time etc.
I'd be considering getting them with 17" wheels if sticking to the road - you'll get more grip, but still benefit from the longer travel suspension and more upright riding style.
Or consider a SV650N - the softish suspension should handle the roads okay, middling levels of power, possibly lighter than the XTZ etc.


All useful - thanks G. I'll rule (some) KTMs back in. ; - )
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