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SirFallalot
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Why build café racer scramblers? Reply with quote

I know why, because people like it/feel like it whatever, but, really, why?! Apart from the stripped down part, the two concepts go in opposite directions. Mixing them causes such a compromise that, as repeated often, makes the bike worse than stock.
Isn't this like sticking clipons on a tenere or knobbies on an r6?
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's because they are stupid wankers.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bike is purely a tool to do a job. Anything that reduces the functionality of said vehicle in favour of fashion is perverse.
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like mylar and shaving people's heads for kicks....
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PostPosted: 16:16 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

What if nature demands that for every supermoto, someone has to make a cafe racer scrambler?

There must be balance in the force...
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trend is over a decade old, now.
In retrospect, all is clear. It was all about money. There were a lot of people who gave it a go, naively. Bikes were ruined, etc. Ultimately, it boiled down to a plan by some (ageing) old-school bike builders who pimped out the skills and experience they had gained making custom choppers, with the help of some very media-savvy millenials (who also made money). The horrible documentary "Oil in the Blood" has a bit of behind-the-scenes insight. It's a sort of cottage industry now, and fully established. It's also made a near-seamless transition to the mainstream, and manufacturers have been on the case for years.
I'm sure that's not the whole story but that's my impression.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

redeem ouzzer wrote:
A bike is purely a tool to do a job. Anything that reduces the functionality of said vehicle in favour of fashion is perverse.


a bike is so much more than just a tool.
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

My bike is just a tool. The same as my car.

Anything else is lifestyle bollocks and I don't have time for that shit.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
My bike is just a tool. The same as my car.

Anything else is lifestyle bollocks and I don't have time for that shit.

If that were true you wouldn’t be so down on scooters, right?
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:
a bike is so much more than just a tool.

How so?
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
to v or not to v wrote:
a bike is so much more than just a tool.

How so?

If I may, it’s probably in the way I don’t have fond remembrance of the time I used a Black & Decker cordless to put a shelf up, but I savour memories of events related to each bike and ride. Visceral is the word.

The fact that it’s also a practical device is why, when considering whether to spend a few day’s holiday learning to ride or glide, I chose motorcycles. I still fancy flying but it would mean fewer hours, more expense, I’d never own one and it’s not a practical proposition for commuting.
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just as pissed off about the time I slipped with the stanley knife and sliced my finger as I am about the time I broke my arm falling on my bike. Both times I didn't achieve my planned goal.

It's a tool. Anything else is you treating it the same as you would treat a video game.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 03 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would of thought.
Creating a custom bike of any kind is essentially a form of art and personal expression like choosing concrete, grass, or flowers for your front garden Laughing

It's not as if making such changes rendered it impossible to ride to work or down the shops if you were so minded.
It would probably be a lot more practical for that than the latest race rep style that can do 165mph.
(What's the point of that BTW when you might only get over 100mph about twice while you own it.)
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
I would of thought.
Creating a custom bike of any kind is essentially a form of art and personal expression like choosing concrete, grass, or flowers for your front garden Laughing

It's not as if making such changes rendered it impossible to ride to work or down the shops if you were so minded.
It would probably be a lot more practical for that than the latest race rep style that can do 165mph.
(What's the point of that BTW when you might only get over 100mph about twice while you own it.)


Art for display is one thing, but safety must be a priority for road vehicles, putting knobbly tyres on a torquey twin pot (in most cases) motor for road use is sheer folly.
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
What if nature demands that for every supermoto, someone has to make a cafe racer scrambler?

There must be balance in the force...


Quite - for every Ying there must be a Yang....
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:

Art for display is one thing, but safety must be a priority for road vehicles, putting knobbly tyres on a torquey twin pot (in most cases) motor for road use is sheer folly.


Another good point. It's when I see a guy "standing", more like bent over, the handlebars on his triumph scrambler with "upgraded"clipons actually going off road that I think....you trying to break something...?

Sure people take sportbikes off road for kicks, sure it must be a fun extra challenge, but that's for jokes, it's not going to be anyone's daily adv or dirt bike.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
What if nature demands that for every supermoto, someone has to make a cafe racer scrambler?

There must be balance in the force...


Quite - for every Ying there must be a Yang....


Did you know it was Yin?
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

As usual, it's these yuppies to blame for creating that scrambler / cafe racer faux cult:

https://bikeshedmoto.co.uk/blogs/news/sunday-scramble

You've got to hand it to them though. They have been wildly successful. Going by their calendar, they have more events going than Ace Cafe. They also hold exhibitions which are more or less just art galleries (bikes not intended to be functional). In retrospect, at its root was just a cynical business enterprise, exploiting youthful folly, and they made it happen.
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
What if nature demands that for every supermoto, someone has to make a cafe racer scrambler?

There must be balance in the force...


every time someone puts road tyres on a big cc 2t mental bastard crosser, the universe corrects it by letting someone put a tkc80 in the back of a 130bhp+ big jap 4 cylinder.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:

Did you know it was Yin?


Do now..
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 04 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
As usual, it's these yuppies to blame for creating that scrambler / cafe racer faux cult:

https://bikeshedmoto.co.uk/blogs/news/sunday-scramble

You've got to hand it to them though. They have been wildly successful. Going by their calendar, they have more events going than Ace Cafe. They also hold exhibitions which are more or less just art galleries (bikes not intended to be functional). In retrospect, at its root was just a cynical business enterprise, exploiting youthful folly, and they made it happen.


They have a very enthusiastic expansion policy too.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 05 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
As usual, it's these yuppies to blame for creating that scrambler / cafe racer faux cult:

https://bikeshedmoto.co.uk/blogs/news/sunday-scramble



These tossers make me want to puke. It's been said before.. it's nothing but misappropriation and commercialisation of a 'culture' they have no clue about. Biking for the nouveau-wanker hipster set. Even Henry Cole is sceptical Shocked .
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PostPosted: 23:51 - 05 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scrambled cafe racers...seems about right. Toast with that?
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 06 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought knobblies and spoked rims would look smart on the Spacker. But bugger riding that bike on
lumpy tyres, especially with stock dampening. Shocked It's got a kinda retro XSR/flat tracker look about it anyway what
with the numberboards and all so it's only half a step away.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 06 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thinking

Scrambled cafe racers, especially those with knobbly tyres, are inevitably going to become spare parts on eBay or at a breakers so everyone wins apart from anyone wanting a rear subframe that hasn't be chopped in half?

The only victim is the bank account of the person who wanted to make a custom cafe racer scrambler thing that's the same as every other custom cafe racer scrambler thing?
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