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PostPosted: 21:19 - 09 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:
Altering your brain chemistry with pills should only be the last resort.

Do you give people the same advice when they've got diabetes, epilepsy, chronic pain, heart problems or any other of a multitude of aliments that prescriptions are given for?

People being told repeatably that doing exercise is the answer really doesn't help either.
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 09 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that there may be a role for MDMA to play in mental health.

For example - in general I am a ridiculously happy person with a bubbly personality. I am fairly content within myself, with the occasional moment of self-doubt.

Having had a tiny amount of recreational experience of MDMA, I was pleased to discover that it comes very naturally to me to feel the way one feels when one is doing Mandy. So although I *liked* it, I wouldn't bother to seek any out because most of the time, I am pretty much like that anyway.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 09 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
RhynoCZ wrote:
Altering your brain chemistry with pills should only be the last resort.

Do you give people the same advice when they've got diabetes, epilepsy, chronic pain, heart problems or any other of a multitude of aliments that prescriptions are given for?

People being told repeatably that doing exercise is the answer really doesn't help either.


This thread as initiated by the OP wasn't about clinically diagnosed depression, and exercise and getting out in the open definitely can help with milder cases, as can correct diet etc. I'd certainly recommend those things first if you're just generally a bit down in the dumps. If then they don't help, seek professional help as Shaggy has done, and as he has hinted, pharmaceuticals are not the only part of his treatment.
Gotta admit though, I'm always a bit worried about popping pills, prescribed or not, whatever it's for. That's something everyone has to make their own judgement on though.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 09 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I agree that there may be a role for MDMA to play in mental health.

For example - in general I am a ridiculously happy person with a bubbly personality. I am fairly content within myself, with the occasional moment of self-doubt.

Having had a tiny amount of recreational experience of MDMA, I was pleased to discover that it comes very naturally to me to feel the way one feels when one is doing Mandy. So although I *liked* it, I wouldn't bother to seek any out because most of the time, I am pretty much like that anyway.


I'm similar with psychedelics like LSD and psilocybin. I'm intensely curious about them, but I don't think I really want to try them recreationally now (I've had a couple of not very potent acid trips as a youngster). But in a controlled environment (set and setting) for general mental wellbeing? I'd be tempted, but don't feel a need for them, having read many accounts of people's experiences on them. When people with all kinds of backgrounds rate them in their top 5 most meaningful experiences of their entire lives, that kinda makes you sit up and take notice though.
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 09 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take 1000mg of Magnesium every day without fail, along with a multi vitamin and a calcium supplement. I do this
partially because I often go 24-36+ hours without food, I only eat once a day if I eat at all, so a 24hr fast is fairly usual
for me. It may be bunkum, but I can tell by my general mood if I miss a day of my supplements. My mood definitely deteriorates,
and I definitely saw an improvement after my first course of magnesium after I did some reading on the subject. Wouldn't be
without it now.
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PostPosted: 01:33 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I take 1000mg of Magnesium every day without fail, along with a multi vitamin and a calcium supplement. I do this
partially because I often go 24-36+ hours without food, I only eat once a day if I eat at all, so a 24hr fast is fairly usual
for me. It may be bunkum, but I can tell by my general mood if I miss a day of my supplements. My mood definitely deteriorates,
and I definitely saw an improvement after my first course of magnesium after I did some reading on the subject. Wouldn't be
without it now.


Is there a reason you don't eat 'properly'? I use that term for the accepted way(s) of eating. Rather than live on suppliaments?
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PostPosted: 08:38 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

Is there a reason you don't eat 'properly'? I use that term for the accepted way(s) of eating. Rather than live on suppliaments?

There are several. Don't particularly want to go into them on here though despite the very apt topic subject. Let's just
say that the bulk of my family are unhealthily fat, comorbidities including diabetes, breathing issues, joint pain,
mobility problems, high blood pressure and thyroid issues plague the lot of them and it's not for me. A simple fall would
land a LOT of my relatives in hospital. I'd sooner starve than be that way. Made that decision at 19 or so years old, and
then lost all three stone of my accumulating pudge. Kept it at bay using a variety of means for 30 odd years now,
If I enjoyed exercise in the slightest then I wouldn't have to be so strict with myself in the kitchen. Autistic determination
is quite the unstoppable force when it's activated.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I often go 24-36+ hours without food, I only eat once a day if I eat at all, so a 24hr fast is fairly usual for me. It may be bunkum, but I can tell by my general mood if I miss a day of my supplements. My mood definitely deteriorates

Not meaning to have a go in any way (especially as you've subsequently partly explained the reasons for your diet) but surely, doesn't fasting 24-36 hours influence your mood more than any effect of popping supplements? I know my head is not in a good place after 12 hours without food, let alone 36... Shocked
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

No not especially, I'm in a shit mood most of the time anyway, a huge well of anger lurks beneath some very thin ice.
It's about the only emotional response I'm capable of expressing. So to answer the question, I don't get 'hangry' since
I'm a walking cortisol timebomb anyway. After 24hours of not eating I usually have one meal, no dessert.
Yesterday that meal was a tin of beans on 3 toast eaten at about 7pm. I will want to eat at 7pm today but
should I ignore that urge it very quickly dissipates and I'll not feel hungry at all until 24 hours or so after my
next meal, whenever that may be. I do a 4 day fast about twice a year, sometimes more often. The hunger
goes away very quickly if not answered with food. Oddly by day 2/3 of a fast I feel a notable increase in energy
levels and as much as I'm capable of, a clearer mind. Bulletproof willpower (or sometimes won't-power) is a
fortunate side effect of a black and white thought process.
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
No not especially, I'm in a shit mood most of the time anyway, a huge well of anger lurks beneath some very thin ice.


I think you'd be a good candidate for a targeted strong dose psychedelic experience.
Not in a recreational way, but actually considering what it is you want to address in your life, pre-setting your mind first, as it were.
Still, some people actually thrive on anger, it's what drives them to achieve things.
Er, like murder Shocked Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'd be a better candidate for a well aimed bullet. It would certainly stop my endless torment.
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PostPosted: 14:27 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I think I'd be a better candidate for a well aimed bullet. It would certainly stop my endless torment.


Well, we can consider that if the psychedelic therapy doesn't work. One step at a time huh? Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:


Let me demonstrate on something nearly everyone has experienced at least once or experiences on regular bases. Believe it or not sedatery jobs lead to lower back and neck pain. Why? Well, if you don't use your muscles they get weak. Weak muscles get pulled (damaged) easily and let stuff (vertebrae) to move around and pinch nerves. Now, what if I told you, that it takes only like 5 minutes a day of stretching and exercising to get rid of all such pain and to prevent it, without any side illeffects?

Wouldn't you at least try, or you would just start using painkillers to which people develop resistency over time and quite probably addiction, while those painkillers also have side illeffects on the liver and kidneys? Also, furter weaking of back (core) muscles can lead to such wear and tear that you do not want to experience.


As with your approach to mental health, that's what works for you. It isn't what works for everyone. I'm saying that both as someone who relies on altering my brain chemistry with pills to function, and as someone who stretches every day but is also waiting for a more substantial medical intervention to fix my back.

What works for you doesn't work for me, and avoiding pills for my brain or painkillers when necessary would make things worse.

Your opinion is not fact.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, I don't think this thread, as initiated by the OP, is supposed to be about clinically diagnosed mental health issues.
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PostPosted: 21:08 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkgDhihL02M&t=144s

This is the video that pointed me toward trying a Magnesium supplement.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
Again, I don't think this thread, as initiated by the OP, is supposed to be about clinically diagnosed mental health issues.


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PostPosted: 22:09 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Shaggy D.A. wrote:
chickenstrip wrote:
Again, I don't think this thread, as initiated by the OP, is supposed to be about clinically diagnosed mental health issues.


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# 25 - the spell check button is mandatory, not optional
# 26. Flouncers.
Once a member flounces they are required to go to log in page and set it to stay logged in and bookmark it. Then take a hammer to their keyboard and smash it. This way they can read BCF all day and will not type sh1t and lies.
# 27. When Ste comes online, automatically change your own threads to have NSFW tags pre-emptively.
# 28 All charity rides to be accompanied with a full run down of expenditure and must be submitted to G for scrutiny or you suffer the derision for having a paid jolly.
# 29 Do not post any photos that may be used against you at a later date.
# 30 Absolutely no furries allowed.
# 31 Thou shalt not ever claim you or your mates stock busa' has ever reached 200MPH.
# 32 Thou shalt not ever claim you or your mates 125cc 2 stroke has ever reached ~110MPH.
# 33 When you ask "what shall I do" in a situation connected with a female and the heart you will recieve the standard reply of "do her up the gary" and " punch her in the tits" . These are traditions and must not be broken under any circumstances. This also must be mentioned at the first 2 posts of the thread.
# 34: Never ever get involved in a PPQR* if it's between kickstart/Mister James/Hetzer or others generally. It's time you'll never get back so not worth it or with those mentioned above, there just isn't enough time in existence.
# 35: Colin1 will saying nothing that isn't already obvious to all. (This has it's uses though for the hard of thinking.)
# 36: Hetzer will refer to nothing that isn't a product of this false construct in which we all exist. Also, all posts will have there basis in ego.
# 37. Any threads containing the word "epic" or "legend", will be neither.
# 38. Ninjas > Pirates, or Ninjas < Pirates. It's an everlasting on going debate. Forever.
# 39. Threads never end on a post that says "End of."
# 40. Stating "FACT" at the end of a statement does not make that statement fact.
# 41. Any phone numbers posted, whether it be company or private will be passed onto CCC to "fuck them up/bring them to tears"
# 42: So, you're a new member and you think there's a possibility that someone might know you? Keep it to yourself.
# 43: Punch her in the tits
# 44. Any thread hereby older than three (3) English standard months that is resurrected by a n00b wilst have a humorous picture of a zombie, or Marty McFly and Doc Brown saying "Welcome to the past".
# 45. Any unsolicited commercial advertising will be punished by the red blob of death and/or a picture of Spider Man saying "My Spam sense is Tingling!" and/or a fine of up to £600 and/or three months in prison at the discretion of Keith and/or G.
# 46. Henceforth anything that Luke posts will mention that his wife is up said duff.
# 47. Despite FACT and END OF not being valid EOT (end of thread), FAIL is a perfectly acceptable end of thread. END OF.
# 48. As above. YOU SHALL NOT quote someone and post a emote YOU SHALL use the karma/rating facility instead.
# 49. Those asking questions in the workshop may make threads running to three pages but should stop posting as soon as the 125 is working so all those that tried to help should never discover what was actually wrong with it in the first place.
# 50. Green blobbers, you are inferior so learn to cope with it and show some respect.
# 51 No, Korn still isn't here.
# 52 Thou shalt not whine when it takes more than 30 minutes to be accepted to a regional group. The mods of said sections do (occasionally) have a life.
# 52. People with enough privileges can alter "Pirates > Ninjas" to "Ninjas > Pirates".
# 53. Calling a workshop thread "Help!" is not likely to result in help.
# 54. When posting in the workshop section, give as many details as possible. The make and model of the motorcycle you are having a problem with would probably count as a good idea to start with.
# 55. The cheapest and easiest way to a significantly faster bike is to do your test and buy a faster bike.
# 56. Any thread, once started, is fair game to take its course anywhere else, regardless of protests to stay on topic or answer the initial question.
# 57. Photos of yourself or bike, family, friends and pets will be subjected to ridicule.
# 58. Don't use bold caps...it still pisses people off.
# 59. When a female posts her photo on BCF, she is automatically classed as 'fit' no matter what she looks like or even if she's wearing a helmet.
# 60 there are NO GURLZ ON TE INTERWEBZ!
# 61 All photographs of members sporting facial hair shall be rated on the 1930 Ariel scale - then ridiculed.
# 63 Any thread with "what 125 shall I get" will be filled with insults about 125's followed by " do you test" followed by "get a cg" .
# 64 Any thread containing the title "nodding" will be called so last century!
# 65 Anyone using text speak in their posts will be karma bitch slapped into the red zone.
# 66 Dragonfly must have her Avatar as it is now.
# 67.a "Put a Donk on it " is an acceptable answer for anything with regards to a bike being fixed...
# 67.b Also an acceptable term for a a stonking minger.. aka wheelie.
# 68. All Lesbians and Gays can be converted. End of
# 69.
# 70. Mouthwash.
# 71 Saying Fvck instead of Fuck was gay in 2005. It is still gay in 2009. Don't be such a fucking coward and bask in the green blobs you cunt.
# 72. Anybody who posts "Bikers Poem" has in fact contracted bad aids and as a new tradition (oxymoron?) shall be irrationally karma bashed into the depths of hell just for 'lulz' in a /b/tard kinda way.
# 73. rules one and two of the internet.
# 74 you don't talk about BCF
# 75 you don't talk about BCF
# 76. When starting a thread that requires the maintenance of a list that is built by forum community, the OP will lose interest after a week.
# 77 ..If at any time you lob your bike at the scenery, then post and tell us, we will try and scavenge bits from said wreckage...
# 78 Anyone who joins that has a 50 cc and seems a bit strange is TIT 50 until proven otherwise, then directed to his legendary thread so they instantly get the jist of BVF metality and quickly
# 79 any post made by cvntdude will be karma bashed till it is no longer visable.
# 80 Dunc shall no longer be allowed to ride japanese CG's. He will however be allowed to ride a chinese copy of a chinese copy of a real CG.
# 81 You do not ever, ever tell anyone that BCF is entirely in your mind, as a figment of an imagination lacking social skills and friends. Because it is totally true.
# 82 No matter what section... sexuality will always be mentioned through admission, accusation, or innuendo.
# 83 The day that kickstart's post doesnt end "All the best ......Keith" is the day that the interweb will swallow bcf.
# 84 The next person who trys to hit the ceiling with a wank splat will instantly turn gay because dunc is el roofo spunkero mastero. Even if he does do it from the top bunk.
# 85 If you hate spelling mistakes and quote some one that has, and tell us you do, 9/10 you'll make one or two yourself, which will then be quoted and corrected for you..
# 86 Any posts stating "Will this thread reach [insert no.] Posts/entries" will either end the thread in an undignified and boring manner, or spur the thread on to last another few months at least.
# 87 Hetzers law of the internet applies to all topics dealing with politics or the criminal justice system. Hetzers Law = (Godwins Law)²
# 88 here is no rule 88. For 8 is the greatest number of all and succeeds pirates whom intern succeed ninja's. This is rule 88. and yet it is not so as there is no rule 88.
# 89 mac_kaliba kills threads
# 90 Dunc resurrects them.
# 91 During the secret santa for bcf, at least one member should recieve a butt plug or some other sexually orientated present. no matter how useless.
# 91a Said recipient will feign disgust, but will try it at least twice.
# 92 Tonyts50/Shadowbiker/whatever is a proper mental.
# 93 Tonytit50... or 'shadowbiker'... will NEVER gain the respect of BCF. The shame is far too great to be possibly comprehended and/or measured by any measuring instrument known to man. Ever.
# 94 rules by TonyTS50 or any of his sockpuppets will be ignored and overwritten by rules pertaining to the first things that pops into your head.
# 95 Any claim of anything from shadowbiker/tonyts50/whatever he's called this week, shall be called into question until there pics are provided to back this up. Evidence should be submitted within 1 (one) standard british week for scrutiny. Failure to provide this or should the evidence be found to be falsified, shall result in the general population calling fail, and tonyts50/shadowbiker/the tooth fairy/father christmas shall recieve a donk.
# 96 Anyone who reposts a rule, whether it be directly or as a reworded version, shall be laughed at until they flounce.
# 97 People who end all their sentences with the word "people" shall be punched in the garry and fucked in the tits until they are dead.
# 98 a) Anyone who has joined before you and has a higher karma rating than you is automatically right and you are wrong.
# 98 b) Anyone who has joined before you regardless of karma rating is automatically right and you are wrong.
# 99 A Honda is never better.
# 100 a) Make your own rule here.
# 100 b) Whatever chickenstrip says is right.


Dunno what happened to the original thread with them.


Rule 100: Make your own rule here.
Ok.
Whatever chickenstrip says is right. So bugger off.
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