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PostPosted: 01:36 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Best late '80s bike? Reply with quote

Following on from another thread assuming 2030 means no more petrol bikes sold we also have to consider all the bikes from 2020 through to 2030 are shite i.e. Euro 5 and effectively unmoddable Sad "No worries, I'll stick with Euro 4!" Yes, I've suddenly got a greater appreciation for my 2016 bike - at least it's mine and I can remap it and fuck with it (as long as it's roadworthy ofc.) But I suspect Euro 3/4 will go in the bin as "the bad man" later down the line the same as "eco-diesels" in that you'll pay emissions changes in city centres. Fuck it, let's go vintage!

Another assumption: they keep the 40yo = vintage rolling on until 2030 and freeze it there. On our side: the vintage car people are a surprisingly powerful lobby group and let's be honest us bikers have been riding on their coat tails. So we're looking at 1990 or older...

So I'd like to hear some nominations for best bike. It doesn't necessarily have to be late '80s if you can make a case for something solid and reliable, easy maintenance, good daily etc. Consider something you'd have some faith if you bought it now and kept going till 2030 and beyond.
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PostPosted: 02:10 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I owned 4 late 80s bikes, in the late 80s, so I'll just comment on those as I found them at the time.

1. Suzuki GSXR750 (slab-side).
2. Suzuki GSXR1100G (slab-side)
3. Yamaha FZ750
4. Suzuki RG500

Most fun, RG500, no question. But not a good everyday bike, too looney, too thirsty and just liked to be thrashed everywhere.
Best long distance bike, GSXR1100 - roomy, comfortable, fast, good wind protection.
GSXR750 was fun, but the RG500 beats it in that category. GSXR the better everyday bike, a bit more practical, but in the day, you didn't buy them for that.
The FZ750 was probably the best all-rounder. Fast, handled well, reasonable comfort level, better quality of finish than the Suzukis.

So from the ones I owned, the FZ750 wins overall. Although strangely enough, it's not the one I'd most like to own again - that'd be the RG, and practicality be damned!
And funnily enough, my current bike is a descendant of the FZ Smile and I'd just stick with it - it has never let me down, requiring minimal maintenance. I've had 5 of them in a row, and none have gone because of reliability issues - one stolen, one crashed, two just sold when skint.

Edit: There was one other that I tried, had a go on a mate's, we swapped for a ride when I had the FZ: GPZ600R. It was fairly quick, light. But I don't know if it was the way he had it set up, tyres or what, but I just couldn't get the damned thing to turn in on the corners, it just seemed to want to go wide everywhere. Physically a little on the small side for me too.
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't even know what Euro 1 is... Cool
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PostPosted: 09:07 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is... the 80s was still just about the dark ages when it came to bike dynamics. Really it's the early 1990s when we started to see bikes that handled the way we wanted them to handle. I reckon a later ZXR750 or ZX7R is a good bet, obviously any FireBlade (the 1992/1993 ones are too pricey though) and the SRAD GSXR750 are the first bikes to really feel modern and be usable enough to have fun on. None of them are particularly comfortable but the SRAD and Kawasakis are known to be awful.

That's why a 1994 or 1995 Blade would be such a decent buy I reckon.
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPZ900R wold be a contender, in fact all the kawa GPZs were good at that time.
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hurricane? Started in 1987.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/HondaCBR1000F.jpg/300px-HondaCBR1000F.jpg

Otherwise I'd go for the big GSXR.

Edit: Can't spell GSXR Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Re: Best late '80s bike? Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Following on from another thread assuming 2030 means no more petrol bikes sold we also have to consider all the bikes from 2020 through to 2030 are shite i.e. Euro 5 and effectively unmoddable Sad

My new one is euro 5 (or will be when I get it here) but word is the ECU (now located under the seat because IMU) has
been cracked already and cat delete pipes are widely available. The forthcoming ban of ICE is partially the reason
why I bought a brand new bike this year, spending a little more on it than I had originally planned. Way I see it they
are only going to neuter bikes more and more until their eventual ban from being sold new.

As for best 80's bike. I had a huge boner for the CBR1000 back in the day, in black and red but was way too young
to afford one and only on a provisional. It was just my 'pin up' bike at the time, mainly influenced by the fact that I
was a Saturday boy in Castle Sports Motorcycles at Dagenham Heathway and had to dust and wipe the one
we had in stock each weekend.

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PostPosted: 10:30 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure I'd want an earlier one than the ~97 ish plate mine was, but I'd love to have my CBR600F back.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50077818993_cbcdb99ddd_c.jpg

Sounded ace, loved the 10k+ rpm induction noise, handled well, reliable, nimble, practical, comfortable, cheap. It was great.

It just lacked a bit of character which is what I tend to go for in my bikes.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a job for a VFR750. Can go as early as 1986 so MOT exempt in 4 years.

Push it out to 1990 and you get an RC36 instead of an RC24.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
That's why a 1994 or 1995 Blade would be such a decent buy I reckon.


Just running on the principle that pre-1990 will be vintage (by 2030) and therefore hopefully still exempt from congestion and emissions charges in the cities. That's the way TFL does it and Oxford, an early pilot of LEZ outside London, has this on their FAQs:

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Will classic cars be restricted from entering Oxford under the proposals?

In line with London’s Ultra Low Emission Zone, we are currently proposing a 100% discount for vehicles with historic tax classes (i.e. historic vehicles which qualify for vehicle tax exemption). Non-exempt vehicles will be allowed entry through payment of the charge if they are not zero emission.


Fingers crossed everyone else follows the TFL pattern!

I would suggest that vintage motorcycles are a bit more accessible than their 4-wheeled brethren plus the whole "free spirit, go anywhere, park (almost) anywhere" of biking in general Smile

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...but word is the ECU ... has
been cracked already and cat delete pipes are widely available


That's good news, given bikes are taxed on engine displacement not emissions. But again, vintage seems a way of side-stepping any awkward conversations about asthmatic kittens at the side of the road, dare I say... a loophole Wink
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Re: Best late '80s bike? Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:


I was a Saturday boy in Castle Sports Motorcycles at Dagenham Heathway and had to dust and wipe the one
we had in stock each weekend.

I bought my first bike, a Honda CG125, in Castle Sports in 1983. I still have the little finance book pinned on my garage wall. I had to pay £51.13 per month for a year into any branch of Lloyds Bank. I didn't take out the offered credit insurance apparently....Living on the edge I was.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I was there in about 89 or thereabouts, when I got my first 50cc. I often wonder what happened to Big (6'11 24st)
Chris the mechanic there at the time. We had a laugh back in the day.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah GPZ900R is probably a decent call, but as I understand it the later 90s ones are better...
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the criteria the OP sets, my shortlist so far would be:

Yamaha FZ750
Kawasaki GPZ900R
Honda VFR750

All bikes along similar lines, semi-sporty in their day, but make good all-rounders. And mine, Fazer FZS1000, a slightly more modern equivalent of the same (2001-2005, so needs a few more years yet)

If we're not too fussy about year but want to go back a bit, I'd throw a ZX9R on the list too. Don't know when they first hit the streets, sometime in the 90s. Just going on what owners have said about them, consistently good reviews, haven't owned one myself.
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

GSXR1100L. Practical enough to do everything, 120 RWBHP, 5 speed box but enough torque to get away with 3. Cheap to maintain (screw and locknut valve adjustment, no water jacket).
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PostPosted: 16:07 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

FJ12003CV

I had have had 3 over the years. 2 white and silver and 1 midnight blue. I love all of them but the midnight blue was my favorite just for the colour scheme. Probably the nearest bike to an absolutly phenominal sports tourer I have ever owned.

I have no pictures of any of mine except this one of youngest daughter (who is now 30 years old) posing on on one of the the white and silver ones which must make the photo late 90's so the last one I owned. Library midnight blue one after for pure Wub although the original exhaust was black chrome twin pipe which looked super.

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PostPosted: 16:58 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first 125 was an RD125LC. For the first month of riding I didn't even know about the powerband or even what a powerband was until I took it over 4k revs.

Huge amounts of "Fekme" followed by a slightly damp infused fart.

These bikes were amazing and I will have another one day.

Once I got used to the power band I was zipping all over the place.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if you're used to anything modern, you would be disappointed to go back to an 80s bike. Especially a late-80s 4-cylinder. While I understand the logic, it might be a bit pessimistic to think that in the future you would have to placate yourself with something which looked and sounded and rode much better in your imagination, or even in your memory, than in reality. Things look rosier when you're wearing your rose-tinted spectacles, and when it's right there in front of you you might realise it was all a lot of fuss about nothing. Not for nothing have engineering advances been made - not just in engines but in chassis, suspension, brakes, aerodynamics; just everything. There's absolutely no chance I would buy a 1980s bike. Let's face it, by 2030 electric bikes will probably be much cheaper and will have much greater range, and there will be a choice of enduros, sports bikes, tourers to suit everyone. You will feel like an oaf riding a 1980s bike. Eccentrics of tomorrow who are really into sports combustion engines will be more likely be riding today's R1 or H2. Primitive flat-4 or twin from the 80s? Don't think so. I think it might be better to just stick with a modern bike, pay your ULEZ or take the exemption test, pay the tax and ride it out. Everyone who pumps up 80s bikes seems to have a collection they will want to offload one day, or is running a business exploiting people who missed the boat.
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I used to think they were so cool. Two stroke as I recall. We had a black and yellow one in Castle Sports back in the day that
was traded in. It wasn't on the shop floor for long.
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PostPosted: 18:13 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevor saxe-coburg-gotha wrote:
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I'm getting "end of the world" vibes from that one Wink Still, nice to have a contrast to the sports/tourers so far mentioned (I'd probably pick the FZ750.)

Any suggestions in the 400~600cc range for the smaller people? Got the RG500 so far Thinking
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Any suggestions in the 400~600cc range for the smaller people? Got the RG500 so far Thinking


No, no, you've misunderstood - I would never suggest an RG500 for a do-it-all, everyday, reliable, only bike (although it'd be a nice way to stick two fingers up at emissions zones Laughing )! I may be mad, but I'm not that mad!
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody rates the EXUP? Just about qualifies as late '80s.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
I think...


You're such a romantic Wink

Seriously though, my father-in-law spends the vast majority of his time zipping about on a '70s Z1000 even though he has two other much more modern bikes. BTW that wasn't the intent when he bought it as a project.

Thinking about my current bike the things I'd probably miss the most is a decent fuel gauge and ABS neither of which are deal breakers.
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PostPosted: 18:50 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
I think if you're used to anything modern, you would be disappointed to go back to an 80s bike. Especially a late-80s 4-cylinder. While I understand the logic, it might be a bit pessimistic to think that in the future you would have to placate yourself with something which looked and sounded and rode much better in your imagination, or even in your memory, than in reality. Things look rosier when you're wearing your rose-tinted spectacles, and when it's right there in front of you you might realise it was all a lot of fuss about nothing. Not for nothing have engineering advances been made - not just in engines but in chassis, suspension, brakes, aerodynamics; just everything.


I'd say the VFR750 is the exception to that. With the possible exception of the brakes which are relatively easy to upgrade.
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