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PostPosted: 19:50 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:
I guess I was there in about 89 or thereabouts, when I got my first 50cc. I often wonder what happened to Big (6'11 24st)
Chris the mechanic there at the time. We had a laugh back in the day.
89 was my GPz750 time so I was mostly visiting a bike shop at Marks Tey as they always had stuff on the shelf where as Johns of Romford, Grimsteads or Castle Sports always had to order stuff in.

I did used to park on the pavement outside it though when visiting my opticians on Heathway. My bikes would look like stock and thieves/traffic wardens would leave it alone.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
Let's face it, by 2030 electric bikes will probably be much cheaper and will have much greater range, and there will be a choice of enduros, sports bikes, tourers to suit everyone.


I don't think so. I don't think electric bikes will appeal to enough people to make any kind of large scale manufacture viable. I think they'll be niche, and biking will just disappear into obscure corners for eccentrics and a hobby of the wealthy.

edit: And I would much rather have a well-fettled 80s bike over anything battery powered. At least my bike would have some character (look it up if you're not sure)!
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe a restomod is the way forward? Choose something with a strong frame and engine, then put modern brakes, suspension, wheels etc on it.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm currently occasionally enjoying the GSX750 (I dont know what-R-or what what, I still haven't got the V5 back, the DVLA have sent me a letter and put me on a promise, LOL) - its a C reg, so about 1985 I think.

Its alright when it goes Rolling Eyes
Currently being a bit temperamental about electrical things Rolling Eyes back to the workshop it shall go.

But when its going ... it goes like stink, yay Dance!

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PostPosted: 23:30 - 10 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
Well I'm currently occasionally enjoying the GSX750 (I dont know what-R-or what what, I still haven't got the V5 back, the DVLA have sent me a letter and put me on a promise, LOL) - its a C reg, so about 1985 I think.

Its alright when it goes Rolling Eyes
Currently being a bit temperamental about electrical things Rolling Eyes back to the workshop it shall go.

But when its going ... it goes like stink, yay Dance!

Laughing


I think yours is a GSX750ES, but can't quite remember, sure we sorted this at one point.
Got a piccy to remind me?
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shouldn't the first question be, "Best at what?"
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
Shouldn't the first question be, "Best at what?"


I would hope the age would imply some limitations but I was only hoping for something "real" that one might commute with or maybe just pop to the shops. Exotic bikes with hard to find parts and tricky maintenance, no thanks.
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

GPZ500s?

Downsides of the early ones are a 16" front wheel (although I still maintain they handled better). Early models also had an exploding alternator rotor but there are aftermarket replacements and I'd expect almost all of them have been done by now.

Brakes are a bit on the average side but there's a well documented twin rotor upgrade.

Other than that, you're just looking at wear and tear aspects of a fairly budget sports commuter bike. One thing they are is entertaining, they were intended to compete with the 350 powervalve and don't do a bad job of that. Not quite as banzai but a lot more practical. You'll get 120mph out of one if you push it and 65mpg if you don't.

If you're going to get one, get it soon while they're still old and cheap and not "classic" because I see them creeping up in price as the nut and bolt resto crowd start showing an interest.
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've an FZ750, most of it is 1987 but the frame and thus reg is 1990 (H)

..it's my most modern bike Embarassed
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:


..it's my most modern bike Embarassed


Same here.. Welcome..., the brand new decade of 1990 is here!
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a distinct lack of two strokes in this thread. Sad
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
I think if you're used to anything modern, you would be disappointed to go back to an 80s bike. Especially a late-80s 4-cylinder. While I understand the logic, it might be a bit pessimistic to think that in the future you would have to placate yourself with something which looked and sounded and rode much better in your imagination, or even in your memory, than in reality. Things look rosier when you're wearing your rose-tinted spectacles, and when it's right there in front of you you might realise it was all a lot of fuss about nothing. Not for nothing have engineering advances been made - not just in engines but in chassis, suspension, brakes, aerodynamics; just everything. There's absolutely no chance I would buy a 1980s bike. Let's face it, by 2030 electric bikes will probably be much cheaper and will have much greater range, and there will be a choice of enduros, sports bikes, tourers to suit everyone. You will feel like an oaf riding a 1980s bike. Eccentrics of tomorrow who are really into sports combustion engines will be more likely be riding today's R1 or H2. Primitive flat-4 or twin from the 80s? Don't think so. I think it might be better to just stick with a modern bike, pay your ULEZ or take the exemption test, pay the tax and ride it out. Everyone who pumps up 80s bikes seems to have a collection they will want to offload one day, or is running a business exploiting people who missed the boat.


Stop shilling electric crap you cunt.
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PostPosted: 13:11 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Maybe a restomod is the way forward? Choose something with a strong frame and engine, then put modern brakes, suspension, wheels etc on it.


It's the direction I would go.

Anything desirable from that time period is going to get expensive. I haven't looked recently, but I assume prices are going up now. They are also 40 years old, so many will be very tired indeed.

That makes them good candidates for spending a lot of money on to get something genuinely good to keep for a long time.

So even though they aren't my sort of thing, one of the Suzuki oil-boilers from the time would be my choice. Every modification you could imagine has been done to them over the years, so fitting 17 inch wheels and decent suspension isn't too hard. The engines are tough, the frames are good, the styling is very 80s and therefore cool again.
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
GPZ500s


Given their age, and that they were regarded as cheap and cheerful even when new, I see 90s ones come up in remarkably good condition quite often.

Speaking of which - https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633084668510764
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for the FZ. I'd probably still be riding it if it hadn't been stolen. A lot of modern stuff isn't much of an improvement on it.
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PostPosted: 14:19 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zen Dog wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
GPZ500s


Speaking of which - https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/633084668510764



That does look nice and smart actually, but looking back it seems like the clocks were change for ones with 20k less miles back in 2010, not that it matters too much I suppose for that engine.

That said though, I never did like my GPZ500S really...
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PostPosted: 15:03 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

blurredman wrote:
I never did like my GPZ500S really...


Why not? I've never tried one, but I've had a go on pretty much all the other 90's 500cc commuters at one point or another (CB500, GS500, ER5 etc.).
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
I haven't looked recently, but I assume prices are going up now.


Not yet, but it would only take a popular Youtuber to make a video about how great such-and-such is, to get that ball rolling.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was browsing FaecesBook's stolen propery Marketplace and spotted a Virago. "Wow, these things haven't changed in almost three decades of production!" But going back to the restomod idea I doubt anyone's done anything exciting with such a bike Sad
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I was browsing FaecesBook's stolen propery Marketplace and spotted a Virago. "Wow, these things haven't changed in almost three decades of production!" But going back to the restomod idea I doubt anyone's done anything exciting with such a bike Sad


It's Yamaha following the HD philosophy to the letter....
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

What happened with cafe racers was, a lot of people thought it was really cool and that it's easy to do. It's not easy. We all know where that led. However, an unfortunate side effect is that prices went sky high for ratty old bikes. This was because of demand. Plus the unharmed ones dried up and people began importing them from the States, where they're basically junkyard scrap. Over here they're gold, and that's not good.

A GPZ750 Turbo is a very cool old bike but as a basic 4-cylinder air-cooled 8-valve with a turbo strapped on, it's not worth £17k. For it to be worth that much implies it was a dream bike for many, and now the people who wanted one will pay whatever for one. But that's not the case. It's a secondary effect of a coolness consensus. Who knows if the same effect will happen to other 80s bikes in the future. In any case old bikes are a lot of work even unmodded. For most people I expect buying a modern bike will end up giving them more utility for the money.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stuff the agricultural twin GPz 500 and go proper 80s sporty Kawasaki like the GPz600 / GPx600r

My choice would be an imported 400, 1989 would get you onto one of the first NC30s, but plenty of Baby' blades before then or an RG250 if you want to go down the stroker route (I always preferred them to the RDs)
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PostPosted: 17:27 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blah blah wrote:
Stuff the agricultural twin GPz 500 and go proper 80s sporty Kawasaki like the GPz600 / GPx600r


I did always think they looked better than the 900. They look compact and solid (in a good way) - https://www.gumtree.com/p/kawasaki-motorbikes/kawasaki-gpz-600-r-gpz600r-/1420540929
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bhud wrote:
What happened with cafe racers was,


You have no idea.

What happened with cafe racers in the 60s was they would remove anything extranious that added weight (foot pegs, chain guards etc.), turned round and dropped the handlebars so that the rider adopted a racing crouch and then raced them between the cafes that were full of greasy bikers at that time.

The travesty that you consider a cafe racer is a modern product and is completely undeserving of the name.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 11 Oct 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:


The travesty that you consider a cafe racer is a modern product


That's what I'm talking about.

Not talking about Tritons or whatever. Just something like a CB250 which has been hacked about.
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