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PostPosted: 11:31 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Normally the lender will ask wether you want the length of the term shortened or the amount paid monthly altered when you make an overpayment.


Or neither, in our case.
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

So neither the term was shortened nor the monthly payment went down?
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
So neither the term was shortened nor the monthly payment went down?


As far as the mortgage company is concerned. Of course the term in reality is shortened because the debt will be eroded earlier, but as far as they're concerned it's still got the same duration and the same monthly payments.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I said term, I didn't meanj ust your current deal, I meant the whole period remaining until the mortgage is clear.
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

My overpayment limit is calculated as 10% of the total amount still owing.
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
When I said term, I didn't meanj ust your current deal, I meant the whole period remaining until the mortgage is clear.


Yeah that's what I meant; my lender still thinks I have the same years remaining and the same monthly payments as before I made an overpayment. If I asked them to recalculate it, they'd either lower the monthly payment or reduce the term, but in doing either, the monthly DD is essentially being re-adjusted to the debt, I'd lose the "built in" overpayment.
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PostPosted: 15:44 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. What has happened is the length of time 7ntil the debt is paid will have been reduced.

It must be one or the other. If the payments haven't reduced the term has.

Interest is charged.each month based on the actual amount t due at that point. If you have overpaid then the capital has reduced and the amount of interest in each payment has as well compared to the amount in that point in time in the original calculation.

Thus you pay more off against the capital. Net result the term reduces.

I've built spreadsheets where you can vary monthly payment and outstanding balance for people so they can see what effect overpaying will have.
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made an overpayment a month or so back, asking that the monthly payment be left as is, i.e. it'd shorten the term of the mortgage by about a year.

Imagine my surprise when the term didn't change over the next few months ... when I called they said they didn't recalculate, but yes my mortgage would end sooner ... feckin confusing.

I can at least check to see how much I've left to pay, as I remortgaged with my own bank last year.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take the amount outstanding after the the overpayment.

Work out the amount of interest at APR (divide the total interest due on the debt by 12) and then take that away from the amount you pay each month.

The remainder is how much you have paid off the debt that month.

Then recalculate the interest based on the new outsatnding debt etc.

Very easy in any spreadsheet program litereally drag and drop after the second month. Make a second column being month and year and you'll quickly be able to calculate which month and which year you'll clear it.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
My overpayment limit is calculated as 10% of the total amount still owing.


So is mine - 10% of what the balance was on Jan1st of the year. I'm just shaping-up to pay this year's 10%.
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PostPosted: 19:26 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty hard to think of many good sides of getting older... but I have to say, no longer having to pay off your mortgage is quite a good one.
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PostPosted: 19:45 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
It's pretty hard to think of many good sides of getting older... but I have to say, no longer having to pay off your mortgage is quite a good one.


Telling young people about is another good side Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: 22:06 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can all fuck off because I'm not young and I've still got 15 years to pay.

Plus today i got arseraped by my new boiler. On the plus side I'm no longer walking around with a coat on.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 29 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
You can all fuck off because I'm not young and I've still got 15 years to pay.

Plus today i got arseraped by my new boiler. On the plus side I'm no longer walking around with a coat on.


Can you show me on the doll where the boiler touched you?
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 30 Nov 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:
It's pretty hard to think of many good sides of getting older... but I have to say, no longer having to pay off your mortgage is quite a good one.


Will make an overpayment in January ... should take me down to 7 years left ... will probably then just pay as normal for the next 3 years ... then hopefully pay the last 4 years in a lump sum.

All depends on how my private pension goes ... but looking forward to not paying a mortgage every month Smile
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 14 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorted. up about 1.5% on my old deal and fixed for the next two years and no arrangement fees as I went with my current lender. Basically I'm a tenner a month more from the end of January next year.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 14 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll have to go up more than 3 times to not be affordable for me.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 14 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Nope. What has happened is the length of time 7ntil the debt is paid will have been reduced.

It must be one or the other. If the payments haven't reduced the term has.

Interest is charged.each month based on the actual amount t due at that point. If you have overpaid then the capital has reduced and the amount of interest in each payment has as well compared to the amount in that point in time in the original calculation.

Thus you pay more off against the capital. Net result the term reduces.

I've built spreadsheets where you can vary monthly payment and outstanding balance for people so they can see what effect overpaying will have.


I think the key thing here is while yes, if you pay some capital off but still retain the same monthly payments, you will pay off your overall debt faster. BUT, unless you ask your lender to do so, they will assume your mortgage term will remain the same. This means you have the flexibility to ask them to recalculate the monthly payments, which as I understand can pretty much happen on the spot, to reduce the monthly payments in line with paying off the debt accurately to the original term. It essentially offers a get-out clause that can be easily activated to getting lower monthly payments. I'm not sure it would be that easy to have your mortgage term extended? In reality, if you don't ask them to recalculate, the mortgage will be paid off before the term.
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoE rate is up 0.5% today, so a good job I fixed last week. I was wondering though, if is there a way to see how a rise in the BoE rate affects the rates for actual Mortgages?
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PostPosted: 10:09 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fixed it doesn't affect, variable will go up by the increase and will depend on what the rate above BOE rate you agreed with the provider.
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Fixed it doesn't affect, variable will go up by the increase and will depend on what the rate above BOE rate you agreed with the provider.


I understand that. I mean is there a general rule of thumb for the relationship between the BoE rate and what mortgage providers then charge.
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PostPosted: 11:11 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, you deal will state your APR will be a percentage above BOE. Thats how you know.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think im phrasing my question wrong Shocked
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