M.A.I.D.

[chickenstrip]

Medical Assistance In Dying.
They've had it in Belgium for some time apparently, and now (rapidly?) gaining ground in Canada. Do we want it here? To the extent Canada seems to be going for? At all?
Some of the arguments I've heard have frankly been shocking, even from the Canadian government.
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[Islander]

Absolutely with appropriate checks and balances.

[Easy-X]

There's a lot of dead wood we need to be rid of. Covid failed so on with the next plan.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Yep Why would anyone want to spend years slowly dying and being in pain the whole time or alternately being trapped in their body and not even being able to wipe their own arse when they could choose a painless quick exit.

I can see situations where I would choose option b and I think it's very uncivilised to be stuck with a hangover of religeous belief (i.e. life is sacred.)

Is I do believe that prolonging life where there is a life to be lived but when the person living that life choses that they no longer enjoy it they should be given the option of a dignified exit if that is their wish.
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[Easy-X]

What would be the criteria? "Suffering" is there for Canada but that's soon to include mental as well as physical. In the UK neither is proposed to be a factor, you would need a diagnosis of less than 6 months to live.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

Did anyone watch Making Sense of Cancer with Hannah Fry: When she's diagnosed with cervical cancer at the age of 36, Hannah Fry explores the issues surrounding how we screen for, and treat cancer, asking if we could be over-medicalising it.? There was a particularly interesting bit where she said doctors would treat you ‘til the end (because it’s their job and ‘life is sacred’) but when asked what treatment regime they’d want as patients in similar circumstances they said at some point they’d lay off the aggressive medication, accept the inevitable and succumb on their own terms. Of course this assumes there’s no severe pain that can’t be eased. The next logical step is euthanasia, but when?

My mother had Alzheimer’s and witnesses have said they’d do themselves in somehow if it happened to them, but it’s hard to know when to do it. The most difficult part for the patient is when they’re still aware of their predicament. As the disease progresses it takes the personality and also the awareness (we assume, god I hope so) away, and it’s the relatives who suffer.

What are these arguments chickenstrip has heard?

[chickenstrip]

Easy-X is apparently the only one who has seen what is going on in Canada out of those who have replied so far. I guess the rest of you are watching BBC still
In both Canada and Belgium, there have already been cases of coercion.
The Canadian government have actually made the case that it would save them money
This is already pushing at the boundaries of "voluntary".
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[M.C]

[chickenstrip]

Yes, it certainly goes beyond complicated when there is coercion and it starts to go beyond voluntary.
For now, I would certainly say it's something to keep an eye on, and we'll see where it goes.
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[M.C]

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[Nobby the Bastard]

My thoughts are 1) you have to get a court order in order to have an assisted death. 2) as part of that court order a psycologist or similar gets free and solo access to to the proposed suicidee to ensure that it is their wishes and to fully undrstand their reasons why they wish to end their life.

that should remove any possibility of coercion. If necessary 3 months of that person being away from anyone who could be the coercer (including their normal carers).

That should remove any risk of coercion and if someone is serious about ending their life then a three month gap from their loved ones to ensure they can go wouldn't be that onerous.

At the moment people starve themselves to death and refuse medical treatment (including pain relief) because they cannot end it quickly and painlessly.
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[Easy-X]

That's all very reasonable stuff but the thing is in the hands of very unreasonable people, i.e. politicians. The public might kick-off about the general principle one way or the other but the devil is in the details.

There's plenty of ppl pro-death penalty but pointing out it'll be the government doing the execution gives them pause for thought.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

It's all about the checks and balances. Get that right and everying slowly numb and I fall to slee.....
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