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Oddly, I have just finished reading this…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being_Mortal
It talks about the advancement of medicine in terms of treatments but the inability of clinicians to ‘call it a day’ when the end closes in. People used to just die at home, suffering, cared for by the family if they had one. Now we think the answer is either a nursing home or hospital but that isn’t usually what the person wants.
With regard to ‘assisted’ dying and withholding treatment it’s happening now to some extent. When my partners step-father had pneumonia we were left in no uncertain terms that the consultant wanted us to ‘let things take their course’ rather than intervene further. My Mum was admitted to our local acute hospital and I basically got told off for calling out the Ambulance - ‘all I can do is give give her more antibiotics and there’s no point in me doing that!’ I wouldn’t mind but it was the nursing home that called them out. |
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It's not just WEF. This is part of Agenda 2030 and been on the cards for years.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=B4gjnZinJz8
It's the same old commie formula : Say that political opponents and dissidents (e.g People who didn't take the state approved clotshot injection / Conservative types) are "mentally ill", then have those troublesome people put into a facility and tortured (experimented upon)... then those people magically disappear all under the friendly auspices of a doctor in a white coat who's just trying to help.
They've done it before and they're doing it again.
One of their favourite tricks is to say that parents are "mentally ill" then send the thug squad round to go get their kids and then sell those kids onto their "big club" buddies, Epstein / Royal family / Saville , etc.
https://rumble.com/v1lo34n-judiciarypolice-stealing-trafficking-children.html
This has all happened before in Soviet Russia when the commies took over their country and now it's happening again worldwide.
It's probably what this war in Ukraine is really all about. Russia trying to keep themselves from being Genocided round 2. Who pushed the vax? Who pushed the war? ... the same commies who killed millions of people in Russia during the holodomor (Which they're also doing to the entire planet right now).
It's Putin's fault ... my ass. |
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Absolutely.
As a healthcare professional, I spend a lot of time working closely with people who are on end of life care, and the vast, vast majority their daily existence, I wont call it life because its not living, is lying in bed in pain, doped up to the eyes on painkillers simply waiting for the inevitable end.
You wouldn't make a dog suffer like that.
I've already got my living will, advanced care decisions, and if necessary suicide, all planned out.
Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Then there is pallative care where basically overdoses of painkiller have to be given in order to prevent pain but will hasten death. |
Sort of.
So typically palliative patients get given a "just in case" box (also called "anticipatory medications", but just in case sounds nicer for the family) this contains morphine, midazolam & glycopyrronium. May vary depending on the individual patient's needs but thems your three basic ones. Morphine for pain, midaz for anxiety/agitation, and glyco for airway secretions.
These are issued as individual vials to be given as subcut or intramuscular injection as needed, sometimes the family are trained in this, usually its community/hospice nurses or paramedics.
Generally these are only needed/given in the active stages of dying, people think theyre given to speed the process up but generally by the time youve gotten to the stage that you need them, you're circling the drain anyway. If those arent enough to control it, the next step is a syringe driver which gives a constant slow infusion of morphine and midazolam (or similar) that just keeps you pain free and lightly sedated. This is usually given in the last 24-48hrs of life, a common misconception is theyre given to "speed up dying" but its genuinely that theyre knocking on deaths door anyway and its to ensure as good a death as possible, just go to sleep and pass away. Morphine and midaz both have the side effect of respiratory depression, can induce slower/more shallow breathing, but in the doses theyre given at in palliative care its generally not a concern. |
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This is what I was getting at as to where this is coming from
Looks like my apparently ill-informed and arrogant presumptuous assumptions were 100% correct |
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This is what I was getting at as to where this is coming from
Looks like my apparently ill-informed and arrogant presumptuous assumptions were 100% correct |
Lauren Southern.
Another alt right ultra religious fruitloop. Praise the lord and pass the tinfoil |
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Tierbirdy wrote: | Absolutely.
As a healthcare professional, I spend a lot of time working closely with people who are on end of life care, and the vast, vast majority their daily existence, I wont call it life because its not living, is lying in bed in pain, doped up to the eyes on painkillers simply waiting for the inevitable end.
You wouldn't make a dog suffer like that.
I've already got my living will, advanced care decisions, and if necessary suicide, all planned out.
Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Then there is pallative care where basically overdoses of painkiller have to be given in order to prevent pain but will hasten death. |
Sort of.
So typically palliative patients get given a "just in case" box (also called "anticipatory medications", but just in case sounds nicer for the family) this contains morphine, midazolam & glycopyrronium. May vary depending on the individual patient's needs but thems your three basic ones. Morphine for pain, midaz for anxiety/agitation, and glyco for airway secretions.
These are issued as individual vials to be given as subcut or intramuscular injection as needed, sometimes the family are trained in this, usually its community/hospice nurses or paramedics.
Generally these are only needed/given in the active stages of dying, people think theyre given to speed the process up but generally by the time youve gotten to the stage that you need them, you're circling the drain anyway. If those arent enough to control it, the next step is a syringe driver which gives a constant slow infusion of morphine and midazolam (or similar) that just keeps you pain free and lightly sedated. This is usually given in the last 24-48hrs of life, a common misconception is theyre given to "speed up dying" but its genuinely that theyre knocking on deaths door anyway and its to ensure as good a death as possible, just go to sleep and pass away. Morphine and midaz both have the side effect of respiratory depression, can induce slower/more shallow breathing, but in the doses theyre given at in palliative care its generally not a concern. |
This meshes very much with my own experience of care at the end of my mother's life. Our GP, a very thoughtful and compassionate doctor, provided the care home with a combination locked "end of life" case which contained, among other things, diamorphine, hyoscine something or other and midazolam for exactly the purposes described. The community nurses had access to the combination for treatment. He explained why and when they were used and was clear that she was coming to the end of her life. In any event she was given IM diamorphine and that was all. She died peacefully and comfortably in her sleep. I had already agreed DNR with him (I had lasting power of attorney).
She wasn't in any pain that I knew of so this was a good end of life plan for her. If she'd been suffering in any way and assisted death was available and recommended by my GP, I wouldn't have hesitated at all. |
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The religious right might be "having a melty" on this topic but I've heard it mentioned in less rabid, more neutral "what do we think of this?" terms by various commentators. The theory's all very nice but when you're up against the cold, hard face of it...
My wife's aunt had cancer and the surgeons were all very optimistic they could just chop a few bits out like pruning a dead branch from a hedge but by the time they'd finished she was minus her entire digestive system. I'd not previously considered such things to be optional to "live." And then you're onto "defining living?" ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Easy-X wrote: | The religious right |
M.C thinks that's me ____________________ Chickenystripgeezer's Biking Life (Latest update 19/10/18) Belgium, France, Italy, Austria tour 2016 Picos de Europa, Pyrenees and French Alps tour 2017 Scotland Trip 1, now with BONUS FEATURE edit, 5/10/19, on page 2 Scotland Trip 2 Luxembourg, Black Forest, Switzerland, Vosges Trip 2017
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Re-watched Soylent Green (1973, Charlton Heston) and it's amazing how many details you can forget about a film. Amazing that almost the whole film is based off of one scene from Harrison's original novel; it's like they had actual script writers in the olden days
In the opening we learn it's 2022 and the population of the US is 344 million with almost 40 million just in NYC. (Not bad considering reality is at least 330 million with over 20 million in New York.) The rich live like kings and there's a massive homeless problem. Police are overworked and murders regularly go unsolved... prescient guy, this Harry
Anyway, that scene. TBH there's worse ways to go and it is the only facility the city lavishes staff and energy on which ironically shows there's just one tiny shred of decency left. Not enough given the final conclusion ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Canadian Update (courtesy of TimCast)
1) Euthanasia is the leading cause of death @ 3%
2) The government are currently debating whether to expand the scheme to children.
If this were coupled with abortions up to and beyond birth it seems the State would like to snuff you out on a whim from conception onwards ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 127 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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