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Kawasaki Jimbo
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Take the NHS, if for example my local hospital has a huge waiting list and 3 days to get an emergency ambulance visit - I'll stop my tax payments towards that thank you very much, and pour it into private care instead.
Private companies pay their staff more, have a better quality of care and provide a better level of service.

They don’t do the hard stuff like A&E though, so it’s easy to look good in comparison.

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Privatisation with regulation and public access to all financial books would surely improve and create a better service that is competitive than waste huge amounts of money on a failing NHS.

I’m not sure about that, it seems like throwing baby out with the bath water. Do you think you get great value from vehicle insurance? The NHS is still a great idea, it just needs the right management.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...nurses are too busy doing paperwork to actually perform. Rolling Eyes


Bureaucracy... I'm suspicious of things with a surfeit of vowels Smile How much of this paperwork is mindless duplication designed to steal time?

I recall filling in the paper census and it was a fucking book. The online census took 5 mins 'cos all the irrelevant "pages" were just skipped.
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PostPosted: 19:59 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
The NHS is still a great idea, it just needs the right management.


The question I have is, as more and more treatments are developed for this, that and the other, and the cost of treatments keeps rising, how is it all to be paid for? We're over a trillion quid in debt just trying to handle a new virus that for most wasn't a big deal. What if a cancer cure is developed but it's super expensive to produce/apply?
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is said that enough money is being wasted on "diversity and inclusion" shite to pay 12,000 nurses.
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PostPosted: 21:25 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

And quite frankly people.are talking shit.

More money is wasted by tory governments insisting on having headcount limits so contractors are brought in at a higher cost instead.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever the figures, "diversity and inclusion" shite IS a waste of money.
All public services waste huge amounts of money on bureaucracy and procurement, as you are well placed to know. I don't doubt that the current government isn't helping matters, but what are Labour's plans to solve this? What is the infallible socialist solution?
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good example of the culture of inefficiency in the NHS and other parts of the public sector.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

The amount of money spent on EDI would be better spent on communications that simply accepted the diversity of the population. After all these years of political correctness, it does not really take much to be intuitive about the whole goddam issue Rolling Eyes

My gears get ground by many of these EDI people seeming to be all about the staffing diversity, with very little lip-service about the same diversity of patients...

Digital inequality and practical clinical innovation are really the main areas they should be concentrating on with all that EDI money. Get your patients into the 21st century and keep them alive longer.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sodding Royal Mail. Middle Finger Waiting on the last of my Christmas gifts for other people and a Jizz Machine sticker from
Baron Von Grumble to turn up. Both sent out at the start of the month. Back in the day when they were the only
way to send things, they could throw their toys out of their pram on the regular and all would be forgotten afterwards
until the next inevitable Crimbo strop. They are playing with fire now. They need their parcels business as well as
their letters/junk mail business and I can imagine a lot of suppliers who send parcels and packages out regularly will
be reconsidering their carrier of choice after this stunt. It is probably mainly because I am hugely unpopular but none
the less I haven't had a single Christmas card yet either. I at least get one from my parents and sister by now if nobody else.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 15 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I gave up giving Christmas Cards for Lent.

Thinking ... or was that a New Years Resolution Thinking
Nah, can't be that: I made a resolution to never make any more resolutions. Been sticking to that one for years now.

I don't really miss getting them, although I always have a pack of my hospital's charity ones to hand in case I feel the need to dish one out.

I'm dreading next week, when people go round leaving them on your desk when you're out of the office, cos I'm new(ish) in the department, and they don't yet know what a grinch I am about Christmas cards Laughing

Although I have got a piece of mistletoe in my pocket in case the Director of Operations hoves into view Wub

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PostPosted: 00:02 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although I have got a piece of mistletoe in my pocket in case the Director of Operations hoves into view Wub

Laughing
Just seen on QI the other day that the word mistletoe actually translates as 'poo branch' (shit stick?) due to the way it ensures its berries get transplanted onto other tree branches so it can reproduce.

You can tell that to the Director as you make your lunge.
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PostPosted: 00:12 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was speaking to a colleague the other day who left nursing a few years ago. They left not because of the pay they could fatten their wage substantially every month just by strategically choosing the days they did overtime a couple of times, they left because of the working culture and the attitudes amongst staff.
I applied for two jobs in the NHS last year. The first job I was over qualified for so was rejected at application the second job was still in process six months after I applied by which time I was busy doing my agency work so didn't need the hassle of the NHS. I also looked at working as a driver for the ambulance service. Turned out I needed the more extensive first aid training to be considered but because of covid, I couldn't get the training. Completely absurd considering the ambulance service itself is jam-packed with people who could probably give the training to any new recruit, and really as just a driver did I really need to know how to operate an automatic defibrillator? Presumably, if I was driving an ambulance I would be crewing it with a qualified paramedic. So I'm very skeptical about the short staffing crisis being blamed on pay issues. I think utterly shit HR is probably more to blame. The problem my colleague suggested is that nurses' egos are as fat as their arses and they really believe the hype despite all the bad attitudes and behaviors they have amongst themselves, they also said they got sick of having to work that some of their colleagues were literally too obese to be able to do the work. Maybe this strike will be a good thing if it lifts the veil of cheap sentimentalism from the general publics' eyes and we start looking more realistically at the NHS`s internal problems.


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PostPosted: 01:27 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

When my wife told me about the "clap for the NHS" thing all she got back was a raised eyebrow. It had folly written through it like a stick of rock.
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PostPosted: 03:33 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

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When my wife told me about the "clap for the NHS" thing all she got back was a raised eyebrow.

Yet literally millions stood there slapping their flippers together like the obedient little seals they are. Where I was living
at the time, they all filed out onto their balconies on the dot just like the TV told them to including the couple I was living
with at the time. It may be the autism talking, but I remember while this was going on thinking very clearly "I'm most
definitely not the same as these people, what do they possibly hope to achieve with these actions?". It then became
a weekly virtue signal where the couple I was living with had to make a point of being seen by their neighbours doing
this ridiculous and pointless gesture and vice versa. I took the opportunity to go out for a stroll, I pretended
to myself that the applause I heard as I walked along was for recognition of my sanity as I headed to the co-op
at about the only time there wasn't a queue of punters outside standing a metre apart.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sad to discover your loved one might be another NPC. I love my wife but there's certain topics she's only able to regurgitate what the TV's said Sad

Then again I mentioned "oh you know that charity twat that got that bird fired? Turns out she's a total scam artist..." to which she fired back "everyone knows that, where have you been?"
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

grr666 wrote:

Yet literally millions stood there slapping their flippers together like the obedient little seals they are. Where I was living
at the time, they all filed out onto their balconies on the dot just like the TV told them to including the couple I was living
with at the time. It may be the autism talking, but I remember while this was going on thinking very clearly "I'm most
definitely not the same as these people, what do they possibly hope to achieve with these actions?". It then became
a weekly virtue signal where the couple I was living with had to make a point of being seen by their neighbours doing
this ridiculous and pointless gesture and vice versa. I took the opportunity to go out for a stroll, I pretended
to myself that the applause I heard as I walked along was for recognition of my sanity as I headed to the co-op
at about the only time there wasn't a queue of punters outside standing a metre apart.


Ceremony is important in religion. But the NHS is just one among a pantheon of new gods.
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PostPosted: 18:02 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
The amount of money spent on EDI would be better spent on communications that simply accepted the diversity of the population. After all these years of political correctness, it does not really take much to be intuitive about the whole goddam issue Rolling Eyes

My gears get ground by many of these EDI people seeming to be all about the staffing diversity, with very little lip-service about the same diversity of patients...

Digital inequality and practical clinical innovation are really the main areas they should be concentrating on with all that EDI money. Get your patients into the 21st century and keep them alive longer.

It's a little more than that...

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PostPosted: 23:38 - 16 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
It sad to discover your loved one might be another NPC.Sad



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PostPosted: 00:38 - 17 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooo, I worked at the Tavi for about 18 months. Weird place, interesting though - quite ugly in style, and they have the patients' artwork on the walls. Getting to my office was pretty grim, a long corridor with lots of scribbly things with scary faces.

I'm a bit of a fan-girl for hospital arts departments, they're undervalued and I like to see staff and patient art - but the art on those walls was dark.
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 17 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Feasty wrote:
Privatisation with regulation and public access to all financial books would surely improve and create a better service that is competitive than waste huge amounts of money on a failing NHS.

I’m not sure about that,… The NHS is still a great idea, it just needs the right management.


Having read Lord Frost’s views on Whitehall I might have to change my mind and agree that there is little hope of “the right management” while the NHS is in public hands.
Crying or Very sad

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PostPosted: 13:11 - 17 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:


Having read Lord Frost’s views on Whitehall I might have to change my mind and agree that there is little hope of “the right management” while the NHS is in public hands.
Crying or Very sad


Perhaps if it were run with military style discipline in all departments, at all levels. The same with the civil servants involved in procurement etc.
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PostPosted: 13:56 - 17 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Military discipline is for, guess what, the military.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 17 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Military discipline is for, guess what, the military.


You say that because you're scared of a little discipline I guess.
Tell me about military discipline Nobby. What do you think it means?
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 17 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

*wibble*
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 17 Dec 2022    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
*wibble*

Are you alright dear? That's two *wibbles* in as many days. Is the senior consort not hitting the mark?
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