2016 Ford Galaxy 27mpg?!

[DUCAUDI]

Hi guys

Hoping someone has some knowledge on this...

Bought a 2016 Ford Galaxy 2.0 TDCi Powershiift a few months ago to use as a taxi. Had about 116k on the clock and now has around 132k.

I appreciate it was high mileage for a new vehicle on the fleet but the price was right, I didn't feel I could turn it down.

Has been used as an executive private hire car elsewhere in the country beforehand.

Since I bought the car I have struggled to get 30mpg even driving as economically as possible. Normal day-to-day driving returns an average of 27mpg.

Was giving the following fault codes:

P06DD-00 engine oil pressure control circuit performance / stuck off

P061B-F1 internal control module torque calculation performance

Got a new genuine oil pressure control solenoid fitted with a full service, the fault codes went away but the 27mpg remained.

Got the EGR valve blanked off and the DPF gutted (with an appropriate remap to delete the EGR and DPF) in the hope it would help with mpg. Has made negligible difference!

Car drives nice and smooth but still struggles with mpg.

Both fault codes have come back after around 16k along with fault codes relating to oil degradation. Is going in for a service today.

I fail to believe that the oil pressure solenoid has gone fault after only 16k but am wondering if it's playing a part in the poor mpg.

Any ideas? My mechanics are at a loss. Clutching at straws have suggested it may need new injectors but it's a lot to fork out on a hope and a prayer.
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2021 Honda CMX500 Rebel S

[mentalboy]

[DUCAUDI]

I had been warned about the powershift gearboxes being problematic however it was running ok when I got it and I got the car for a steal so figured even if I have to put a new gearbox in it at a later date, I'll still have got my money's worth out of it.

So far the gearbox has been fine, touch wood, and my mechanic said it's a "gen 2" powershift gearbox which is much better and more reliable than the "gen 1" ones, although still far from perfect.

Need to replace a few more vehicles on the fleet in the first half of next year and wondering whether it's worth getting any more Galaxys. The only realy viable alternatives are the SEAT Alhambra / VW Sharan which are far superior in terms of reliability (although I have heard horror stories about the DSG gearboxes on them as well, probably more reliable than the Powershifts on the Fords but more expensive to fix/replace) but I think the Galaxys are more plush and comfortable inside.

My remap guy said these Peugeot engines are crap on fuel, he has the same engine in his van, and also that the Powershift boxes sap power which will be contributing towards the poor mpg. If that's true, whichever way you look at it, I should be getting more than 27mpg!!!

Going down the VAG route for future vehicles seems to be the sensible choice, but I do just like these Galaxys.
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2023 DucAudi Mehrstraße V4 Hechte Gipfel - "Objectively the best motorcycle ever produced" - "You can have any colour, as long as it's red"
2021 Honda CMX500 Rebel S

[ThunderGuts]

Can’t help in your problems but a colleague has a 2011 Galaxy 2.0TDCi PowerShift box he gets between 40-45mpg so I’d expect you to get similar or better with a newer model.
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[to v or not to v]

wouldnt you be better off asking this on a Ford specific forum?
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[WD Forte]

What sort of mpg are you expecting?
Taxi work in a city has to be the least economical way to use a car
in terms of mpg
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[Polarbear]

Agreed. Even my Jag get's high 30's round town and well over 40 outside.
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[dave001]

thats ford for you

my A5 3L tdi can manage the mid 30`s around town

[mentalboy]

Fix
Or
Repair
Daily
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[UncleFester]

If that was mine i'd start with the cheap stuff.

Get some cleaner spray and give the MAF a cleanup.

Crap in the injectors / fuel filter would give you running issues but i doubt they'd be the cause of that massive cut in MPG.

Maybe 02 sensors ......

OOI how's the seals on the intercooler/turbo pipework? Taken it for an italian tune up?

As for oil contamination, borewash?
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[DUCAUDI]

[DUCAUDI]

Although to be fair I don't think the oil level is rising (I think I would notice if it was!), so maybe not borewash?
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2021 Honda CMX500 Rebel S

[UncleFester]

at the very least maybe injector seals. I'd expect other symptoms though, not just poor mpg.
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[Robby]

It's either something simple or difficult. You're only going to get answers to simple stuff here, but theoretically the fault codes should tell you about more complex stuff.

If you suspect diesel dribbling down and getting into the oil, you can get home oil analysis kits, or the kind where you send it off to a lab. Not expensive, you get a few tests in a kit, so it could be worth doing the lab one for you whole fleet, I expect it would pay for itself fairly quickly if it picks up one major failure before it happens.

As for my fairly basic understanding of what goes wrong with diesel engines, is it blowing smoke, and can you feel any wear in the turbo by trying to wiggle it's shaft?

It's at the mileage where I would expect a turbo to be worn out, injector seals to be hardened, and injectors to be a bit fucked.

[dave001]

reading a few fualt codes wont be much help

you need dealer level software to have a proper nose

[DUCAUDI]

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Thoughts?
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2021 Honda CMX500 Rebel S

[Nobby the Bastard]

Your oil wasblack and opaque at a very low mileage, was a bit thin for UK use (SAE20) but no real metal contamination so not much wear.
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[DUCAUDI]

1.5% fuel dilution is the bit I'm interested in. Is that a significant amount and could it account for the poor fuel economy? Doesn't seem high enough to me. Service light coming on after only 900 miles from an oil and filter change and resetting the service indicator. Thinking some smart sensor in the engine detecting oil deterioration and time for an oil change based on oil quality. Fuel in oil could explain this?
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2023 DucAudi Mehrstraße V4 Hechte Gipfel - "Objectively the best motorcycle ever produced" - "You can have any colour, as long as it's red"
2021 Honda CMX500 Rebel S

[Nobby the Bastard]

I'm impressed that it can tell the difference between diesel oil and engine oil.

They are essentially the same thing.
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