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Posted: 20:36 - 09 Feb 2023 Post subject: |
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I’m not opposed to electric vehicles other than being an utter cheapskate. I could probably afford one, but I drive an 18 year old car and 16 year old bike because I only use them a couple of times a week and my semi-competent spannering keeps them reliable on the cheap.
The range thing and charging time bothers me. Performing a near-instant battery swap to a fully charged unit would be ideal. Not so easy with a car although I recall reading that somewhere in the far east was playing with the idea. However swappable batteries for bikes seems like a very workable idea given the infrastructure and customers. Taiwan have allegedly experimented with it as seen here -
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What EV are you using? |
Ioniq electric, the 40kwh one. That's after having two ioniq hybrids, so it's safe to say I'm quite fond of how they drive.
Your local charging points and zap map experience. When zap map says a charger is broken, I'd say that tends to be about 50% reliable. I have no idea why, but I've turned up at chargers that were down as broken, or 2 out of 4 working on zap map, to find them all working.
Also, terminology. 7kw is what I have on my house, it's what I use to charge from 50-100% in about 3 hours. 3kw is what you get from a 3 pin plug, last time I did a charge from nearly empty to full on one of them it took about 20 hours. 50kw and up is a proper DC fast charger, where you get to 80% in under an hour on just about anything. |
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You seem to think that small capacity electric bikes cost more than a diamond encrusted Gold plated Rolls Royce. They don't. https://routerlogin.ltd/
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The Getir crowd around here whizz about on electric mopeds. They fall off fairly regularly too, but I think that's the riders, not the bikes.
Electric makes a lot of sense for an urban motorcycle if there's regenerative braking; reduces brake wear and recoups some of that charge. Speeds are always relatively low, so power burn per mile in theory is lower than tanking along at VMax. I can see a lot of potential for 125 or lower category e-bikes for commuters; although a 60 mile range sounds naff, I suspect for most commuters on a small bike they aren't doing anything near that distance, while charging is likely far less onerous than with an electric car as we're not talking anything like the same kinds of capacity and probably is achievable on a 3 pin plug as opposed to needing a fancy charger.
Electric for a leisure motorcycle is a very different proposition. Common to do 200 mile day rides and many, including myself, don't set out with a specific route and distance in mind, instead take it as it comes. If you're range limited on an electric motorcycle you're likely to hit problems in that situation, especially given the areas we tend to ride are not furnished with fast chargers (unless your leisure riding focusses on motorways, towns and cities). ____________________ TG. |
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Revzilla's daily rider with the Sondor:
https://youtu.be/qqBy8uD6Qc0
Cheap (~6 bags) just about manages >60mph, range ~50 miles, 5 hour charge. Not a bad proposition for the Deliveroo crowd ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Here's some food for thought.
In World championship motorcycle racing the MotoE class is the slowest.
MotoGP is the fastest, Wsbk is next, followed by Moto2 then World SuperSport, Moto3 and finally MotoE.
During the weekend's Wsbk commentary, James Toseland was talking about Dominique Aegerter, (the current MotoE world champion), and how he's taking to the Wsbk class.
He mentioned that the MotoE bike he was riding weighed 100kg more than his Wsbk.
Yes you read that right, 100kg!
In the MotoE class, races are seven laps, (between 18 and 24 miles), because that's how long the batteries last at race pace, less than one lap of the TT course. As seen in TT zero, you could count the finishers on, err, three fingers.
Although to be fair race distances for all MotoGP and Wsbk classes are less than two laps of the TT course.
Looks like there's a long way to go before E bikes will get anywhere near the sustained performance of ICE bikes. ____________________ "Everybody needs money, that's why they call it money!" |
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Can I just take this time to say:
Thanks to the people of this forum. I know we don't all agree on everything, but this discussion has remained un-toxic. On a Porsche group I'm a member of someone posted a picture of a guys's bonnet interior on what I assume is a mustang, (definitely was not a Porsche) and it had a Mustang Bonnet sized image of Greta Thunberg on said bonnet interior. I felt that was telling us more about the persons insecurity over that than it was about "sticking it to" anyone. The discussion then descended into accusations that I was somehow on the payroll of the climate change mafia, and that I had an 'agenda' and so on. I said nothing of the kind, and in fact encouraged people to drive their Porsches while they still can. I even got accused of being Hitler at one stage, and the man even said "I did my research" and cited a single scientist who did in fact admit that climate change was man made and real, but said it's too late to do anything about it. Sheesh. He then admitted he has a sticker under his fuel flap that says "How dare you" I'm no fan of our friend Greta, but when you're sticking stickers on things to remind you to not do what she says... it's a bit of a psychiatrists dream, I feel.
So, thanks BCF. I know sometimes it can seem like a place of argument and discord, but actually we're pretty decent when it comes to things. ____________________ British beauty: Triumph Street Triple R; Loony stroker: KR1S; Track fun: GSXR750 L1; Commuter Missile: GSX-S1000F
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MarJay wrote: | He then admitted he has a sticker under his fuel flap that says "How dare you" |
LMAO I might have to steal that idea. Full disclosure (and older viewers may recall) I replaced the "175" on the side panel of my 2-stroke rebuild with "GRETA"
Anyhoo, getting right down to it energy generation and utilisation is not a problem in the 21st Century. Wind, nuclear, coal, etc. then on to electric motors that are shockingly efficient in terms of electric to kinetic conversion. The problem we have with both large scale and portable/vehicles is storage.
Lithium-Ion batteries are absolutely atrocious compared to all fossil fuels - petrol, diesel, LPG, LNG, etc. - in terms of energy density. They also do not scale well (think building enough batteries to power a town for a day versus an old skool gasometer.) This is the central Achille's Heel that no one in government will acknowledge hence why EVs will be forced on us at gunpoint. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Easy-X wrote: |
Anyhoo, getting right down to it energy generation and utilisation is not a problem in the 21st Century. Wind, nuclear, coal, etc. then on to electric motors that are shockingly efficient in terms of electric to kinetic conversion. The problem we have with both large scale and portable/vehicles is storage.
Lithium-Ion batteries are absolutely atrocious compared to all fossil fuels - petrol, diesel, LPG, LNG, etc. - in terms of energy density. They also do not scale well (think building enough batteries to power a town for a day versus an old skool gasometer.) This is the central Achille's Heel that no one in government will acknowledge hence why EVs will be forced on us at gunpoint. |
Agreed. This is why, to my knowledge, this is the first time an inferior product has superceeded a superior product and not been cast aside. Obviously because of politics/green etc. etc.
At present battery vehicles are not as practicle as ICE. The battery vehicle will probably get there in the end but if it was not politically pushed it wouldn't be until the qualities of that system exceed what we already have.
However, unless something else (hydrogen or ?) comes along we as a race are committed to electric vehicles for the future. The infrastructure is (slowly) ramping up. The investment in EV's mean they aren't going to be easily pushed aside. Governments are not renowned for admitting they are wrong.
I think the end of ICE's is done and dusted even if bio fuel becomes more readily available (you can already buy bio diesel on the canals which has practically no emissions) as mainstream manufacturers will stop making ICS's so that will be that.
Then of course we come into the next debate, when do the government chage the taxing system so they aren't losing money as the EV's take over. Too soon and they stunt EV purchasing. Too late and they lose shedloads of tax. I'm not sure about the government trying to force people onto public transport for that reason, loss of tax from the private motorist. Anyway that's another issue.
From our point of view, with bikes. Other than commuting scooters and the like, I can't see mainstream motorcycling being sustainable with EVM/C's. I hope I'm wrong. ____________________ Triumph Trophy Launch Edition |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 54 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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