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A100man
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 27 Apr 2023    Post subject: Chinese residuals.. Reply with quote

My mate is on the look-out for cheap 400, so I cast an eye out and came across some Chinese - I was staggered by the drop in value of these bikes, many not even run-in, here a couple..

Mash TT400 £4300 new and yet

£2400 with 150 miles on it..

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/295658639502?

WK Trail (same 27hp motor as Mash) New about £5000

Surprised if this tops £1500 with less than 100 miles on it.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234984508238?

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PostPosted: 10:38 - 27 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Mash is a very good looking bike!
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 27 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
That Mash is a very good looking bike!


..apart from the brown seat - trouble is it couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Even the 1980s Yam 400 single managed 33 HP.
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 27 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aye, the seat is poor. The worst bit is the downpipe, as it looks like a bunch of small lengths of tube randomly welded together...
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 27 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

About 10 years ago, I bought a second hand Jianshe AJS 125.

It was immaculate, less than 2 years old, under 200 km on the clock - a bloke had been parking it in his campervan and using it as a runabout when he was on hols.

I think the list price was about £1200 +OTR and I paid around half that.


I've still got it!
30000+ km later, and it's not immaculate anymore - but passable. Wife and daughter still use it occasionally.

Probably worth about £25 now Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 27 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
The worst bit is the downpipe, as it looks like a bunch of small lengths of tube randomly welded together...


I'm guessing some of that pish is to mount an FI sensor or summat..
but 27 Hp! Jeez, equivalent 1950s BSAs were in the 30s FFS
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 27 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was tempted by the Mash when it came out. Problem was, it just cost too much. I think it was listing at around £5k initially, and not much stock around so few discounts.

At the same time there was a bit of glut, at least in that vague sector. I bought my Guzzi a year later, brand new for about £6500.

So for 30% more I could buy something in the same styling ballpark, but better in every measurable way. Most importantly when buying a new bike with a warranty, there was an existing dealer network to service it and make the warranty worth having.

The mash 400 should have listed at £3500.
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 28 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Friend had a Mash X Ride 650. But in the end took it back because of various issues, including fuel level sender set to low (rectified himself) but the main reason was check engine light was coming on more times than not. No amount of electric boxes or sensors exchanged at the dealer fixed the issue so he swapped it for a Suzuki SV650.
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 28 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was someone on here who used to swear by them and call all us Chinese haters phillistines.He had a Mash 400 that he lauded to anyone who would listen.

That 400 is a pretty bike. If I wanted a starter bike to really pretty up and use for Sunday rides to the caff, that would be a good start at that price. New money for one? Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 28 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I recall Linuxyeti I believe? was/is something of a fan boi of chinese bikes.

I find that MASH completely unappealing and would take the WK
if forced to buy one or the other
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PostPosted: 15:01 - 28 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
As I recall Linuxyeti I believe? was/is something of a fan boi of chinese bikes.

I find that MASH completely unappealing and would take the WK
if forced to buy one or the other


The Mash is too obvious(ly madeover) if you get what mean and has no credentials to back up the looks. Impressive for the layman but all bikers will know your dirty secret and will scoff behind your back.

TBF the pint of the post was to highlight what people really think of these machines by virtue of the resale price, which appears to be.. not a lot.
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PostPosted: 15:58 - 28 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:

TBF the pint of the post was to highlight what people really think of these machines by virtue of the resale price, which appears to be.. not a lot.


I'm amazed anypone would spend north of 4 grand for a new one when there are plenty of lovely bikes in that and a bit higher bracket.

2k for something with only a few hundred miles on? Well that's a different ball game.

So it's not that the resale price surprises me, it's that there are any bought new to have a resale value.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 28 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I'm amazed anypone would spend north of 4 grand for a new one when there are plenty of lovely bikes in that and a bit higher bracket.

2k for something with only a few hundred miles on? Well that's a different ball game.

So it's not that the resale price surprises me, it's that there are any bought new to have a resale value.


As a comparison the Svartpilen 401 I alluded to on another thread lists RRP at five and a half bags but you could get a zero to 100 mile "demo" bike for £4,200. Second hand they drop to about three and a half, three is the worst price on FleaBay ATM.
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 28 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm probably the only one here who would prefer the WK Trail over the Mash. That doesn't mean I'd trust it though. On paper it's definitely what I want from an enduro bike. I don't put faith in paper.
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