Tax & Insure *all* vehicles?

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[Bhud]

Impractical, maybe expensive, too complex to implement, too easy to evade, etc. A mammoth task.

If there's a problem that will need addressing at some point, then all roads probably lead to networked cameras (private and public), facial/postural recognition, AI making all the decisions and issuing automated carbon credit decrements as punishments. It will be interesting although I think it's a long way away.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Do you know how many people are injured by cyclists? It's a vanishingly small number and the injuries are normally slight.

How about the number of people charged with 'furious cycling' (the equivelent of careless or dangerous driving?) Once again a vanishingly small number.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

[Bhud]

I wouldn't support any controls on normal pedal cycling. It's a healthy, sustainable activity and it's to be encouraged. On the other hand, there is a lot of scope for abuse when it comes to motorised forms, be they petrol-powered (and the controls, such as licensing and registration are already there) or e-bikes and e-scooters. This isn't to penalise normies such as commuters or leisure riders on e-bikes, but to make sure basic, simple rules are followed, for everyone's safety. The police are a blunt instrument and it's impractical to get them to run around enforcing traffic laws against scrotes who would just enjoy giving them the runaround anyway. Better to leave it up to council cameras and AI.

[Fat Angry Scotsman]

[Nobby the Bastard]

[stinkwheel]

[Nobby the Bastard]

No real support for him though. He'd get that from the NHS regardless.
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[ThunderGuts]

As above, the rules are there already. From my perspective (Manchester) the biggest issue are illegal e-bikes (Deliveroo etc.., cheapo conversions with no speed limiters and inattentive reckless riders motivated to make journeys as quickly as possible) and e-scooters (usually headphones on and not paying attention). These are already illegal, with the exception of approved hire e-scooters (which I never actually see being used recklessly . . . funny that given you have to upload your driving licence to unlock them and they have GPS trackers). Just needs the enforcement. The police forces are almost universally underfunded to the point they can't do preventative activities like targeting e-scooters and e-bikes unless they've caused a direct significant issue, instead they spend their time dealing with the bigger issues, e.g. the brawls outside/inside 'spoons. The same weakness in resource is the reason we get plagued by the 'clava lot on mopeds, thieves everywhere and gangs on off-road scramblers hooning about.

Like the NHS, the level of poor high level management and lack of funding means these public services generally can only ever focus on the highest priority issues right now, not dealing with the minor stuff which inevitably then grows into bigger issues further down the line.
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[dave001]

[dave001]

[Nobby the Bastard]

513 out of 60 million+. How many of those were down to the pedestrian walking out into the road looking at their phones?

FFS. A couple of years ago there was a sizeable percentage of this forum bitching that the country was shut down to prevent 0.2% of the population from dying and you are suggesting that massive over reaction to prevent 500 injuries?
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[Abaaba]

[quote="dave001"]

[Abaaba]

let the children cycle and enjoy the freedom of 2 wheels...............just because there are few mid-life crisis, lycra wearing, tour de france chasers cyclist out there shouldn't mean cycling is priced out of many kids/families............

[Ste]

[Robby]

[Polarbear]

It's very simple. If it's right, do it and enforce it. If you can't enforce it, don't bother. Right or not.

FFS the police can't enforce bugger all.

According to MIB, there are around 1 million uninsured drivers on UK roads. It's estimated that every three days someone has an accident involving an uninsured or 'hit and run' driver.

How many million uninsured push bikers and electric scooter riders would there be.
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[dave001]

to be honisy im not bothered about kids on bikes


it the feral teenagers and retarded adults on electric scooters that are a serous problem

and same mowing down old pepole and disabled on pavements

that said some the old twats on mobility scooters should have a Iq test be fore they let em on one

[Nute]

[Nobby the Bastard]

Nothing with wheels? Shopping trolleys hover, do they?
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[Easy-X]

[Raffles]

Probably off topic but who cares?

What a wanker...
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[dave001]

[Ste]