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The Artist
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 14 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I see Nuttall strikes again, won £1000 tonight off 2 tickets (£40 spend, low odds comp)


https://i.imgur.com/cR5L0zY.png

Sick

If anyone thinks this is good, I will offer you better odds and will do live drawing with google RNG.

£20 a ticket and 65:1 instead of 70:1 chance of winning £1k.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 14 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ayrton wrote:
No luck Sad Was hoping to get it as I've got a old Uvex helmet that's pretty much the same helmet just not carbon.

What fucks me off is the announcer said the winner doesn't even own an adventure bike so I guess they are just buying tickets on everything with low odds and taking the cash instead. It seemed like on pretty much every draw they knew the winner from previous wins so I guess a lot of people are trying to turn it into some kind of income or are seriously addicted to it.


I think it's addiction

Nichola Macaulay who won has won quite a lot on there, I'd imagine she spends quite a lot
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PostPosted: 09:59 - 15 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Okay is noone calling out that this is definitely a scam?

Guy turns up saying "hey guys, isn't it weird that I keep winning on this site? Is it legit that I keep winning? Winning winning winning, it's so strange."

Then a few posts later "Guys totally random but if anyone else wants a go on that site where I keep winning here is a link where I get money if you play, total coincidence lol"

I mean I respect the hustle, we all gotta make a buck somewhere, and I'm not saying the raffles themself are a scam but still, NOONE going to call it out?

That said, seems like I nice chap, I might take a punt on something using the referal code (damn it he got me).


I am generally a skeptical cunt but I don't think Apex66 is a scam. They do all their draws live, the number is picked live on stream using the Google random number generator. They then search live through all the numbers on the entry list for that number. As far as I am aware, there is no way to spoof this as the delay on stream is only one or two seconds. How do I know this is the delay? They do live competitions where the first person to type a specific word in the stream chat gets to play the higher or lower game. They turn the ipad the chat is running on towards the camera and you can see the replies coming up.

There are definately scams out there. I remember there being a big house here that was put up for raffle but they didn't say how many raffles were sold and that if all the tickets didn't sell then they would raffle off the amount raised minus "administration and management costs and fees" which were undisclosed. I saw straight through it that it was just a cash grab by a couple who leveraged their fancy house and the naivety of poorer people dreaming of a big house for a £20 ticket. Nobody was ever going to win the house, they were always going to do a cash prize and remain opaque around the winning of the prize too. Cunts.

EDIT:

This was the thing I was talking about:

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/man-raffles-luxury-800k-mansion-10658663

It was actually £5 a ticket (I erroneously recalled £20), but they did do the old "oh we didn't sell all the tickets so cash prizes" routine:

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/2401154/punters-raging-shamus-angie-fitzsimons-mansion-raffle-withdraw-prize-cumbernauld/


Less that it's a scam that you won't ever win anything - more that it's gambling and that if you want a £250 helmet, you're better off just... paying the £250 for the helmet, instead of throwing tickets at it, because sure the tickets are only £1.50 but you're going to need £750 worth of them to get the £250 helmet.

My point was that our friend BRUN here isn't sharing this wonderful site with us because we are all going to win lots of prizes - statistically we are going to lose a lot more than we win. BRUN is trying to get people exctited about the site because he gets money every time someone uses his referal code. In a sense, we are all losing money betting on things we won't win so that BRUN can get lots of free £10 vouchers.

It's a small scale version of those people who pose in front of a lambourghini saying "all you need to do is buy my course and I will teach you how to become a millionaire as a day trader". Actually, the guy selling the course didn't make his fortune day trading, he made his "fortune" (enough to hire a lambourghini for a day, anyway) convincing people to pay for a course that is worthless. Meanwhile, the people who complete the course and go on to become day traders... statistically they lose money. It's even nastier when they try to sign people up to a specific trading platform where they also get kickbacks.

That said, I will take the £10 voucher, fling it at something I like on the off chance, then never look at the website again lest I become like our Señor Nuttall over here.
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 15 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea I am offering my code because I get £10 credit, thats the idea of the referral scheme, but you get £10 too, so for £1 spend, you can have £11 worth of entries, thats definitely worth it, its always worth a go, if someone had came to me with there code and I had never used the site I would have a go, someone at work used it and won £500 on there, someone has to win

I wouldn't want anyone on here to turn into an addicted Nuttall, his wins though are another story, I would love someone on here to win

If anyone does use my code, make sure you complete the transaction from the link, dont open it and go back to it 3 days later, use the link and get whatever you want and you will get your credit
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 15 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offer still stands. If anyone wants better odds than Apex66 for cash, just let me know.

£500 cash prize. 65:1 chance. £10 entry.

£1000 cash prize. 65:1 chance. £20 entry.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 15 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

CorriganJ wrote:

My point was that our friend BRUN here isn't sharing this wonderful site with us because we are all going to win lots of prizes - statistically we are going to lose a lot more than we win. BRUN is trying to get people exctited about the site because he gets money every time someone uses his referal code. In a sense, we are all losing money betting on things we won't win so that BRUN can get lots of free £10 vouchers.

I don't really care, I've got my £10 voucher to spend and It's not like BRUN started the thread with the link, he just shared it when people were interested.
I'll probably spend my voucher and then not use the site anymore though. The odds really aren't good and there's clearly loads of people on there that buy huge portions of the tickets on everything. I can see how easily you could become addicted and convinced that you can beat the system and make a profit.
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PostPosted: 15:59 - 15 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

CorriganJ wrote:
Less that it's a scam that you won't ever win anything - more that it's gambling and that if you want a £250 helmet, you're better off just... paying the £250 for the helmet, instead of throwing tickets at it, because sure the tickets are only £1.50 but you're going to need £750 worth of them to get the £250 helmet.


lmao mate what I am saying is that I know it's unlikely to win, I am doing it for the fun of it and watching the draw. I only sling a nominal amount in for the fun of it. I see it the same as I see going to the casino, just do what you're comfortable losing and see it as entertainment.

Ofcourse there are people who throw more into it in a serious attempt to win things. Then again plenty people do it with normal gambling too. It's all unhealthy at that point.
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 16 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

if anyone is on the fence about using my referral and the voucher, they are doing 20% off today using code SUN20, so that £11 worth of tickets would get you a few extra
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 16 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Workmates brother won an R1 with Revcomps. But never play lotteries if you can't afford to lose it.
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PostPosted: 09:39 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking with someone a few weeks ago at the kayaking club and they were saying about someone they work with had won £10k on one of those competition sites and had also won a sorted Ford Raptor complete with a jetski on a trailer.

Why are they known as competition sites when they're basically raffles rather than competitions?
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Talking with someone a few weeks ago at the kayaking club and they were saying about someone they work with had won £10k on one of those competition sites and had also won a sorted Ford Raptor complete with a jetski on a trailer.

Why are they known as competition sites when they're basically raffles rather than competitions?


Legally you can't run a lottery (raffles are lotteries in the UK) for profit in the UK. So, Apex66 run it as a competition that you pay a fee to enter and you answer a "skilled based question", then the winner is drawn from a pool of correctly answered questions by random. This is so that they don't need a license from the Gambling Commission.
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PostPosted: 11:27 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:
Ste wrote:
Talking with someone a few weeks ago at the kayaking club and they were saying about someone they work with had won £10k on one of those competition sites and had also won a sorted Ford Raptor complete with a jetski on a trailer.

Why are they known as competition sites when they're basically raffles rather than competitions?


Legally you can't run a lottery (raffles are lotteries in the UK) for profit in the UK. So, Apex66 run it as a competition that you pay a fee to enter and you answer a "skilled based question", then the winner is drawn from a pool of correctly answered questions by random. This is so that they don't need a license from the Gambling Commission.


Similar to how BOTB operate, though theres is a spot the ball competition (which i really hate, as i have no interest in foosball)

The "skill" involved in Apex66 is as follows

Where did Ducati originate from?
a) USA
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:

Legally you can't run a lottery (raffles are lotteries in the UK) for profit in the UK. So, Apex66 run it as a competition that you pay a fee to enter and you answer a "skilled based question", then the winner is drawn from a pool of correctly answered questions by random. This is so that they don't need a license from the Gambling Commission.


Also, they must offer free entry somehow. Usually you can post an entry to these things.
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PostPosted: 11:47 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:

Legally you can't run a lottery (raffles are lotteries in the UK) for profit in the UK. So, Apex66 run it as a competition that you pay a fee to enter and you answer a "skilled based question", then the winner is drawn from a pool of correctly answered questions by random. This is so that they don't need a license from the Gambling Commission.


Also, they must offer free entry somehow. Usually you can post an entry to these things.


They have a couple of free entry competitions running each week, funnily enough i have just entered one for a brake lock, because why not
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:
Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:

Legally you can't run a lottery (raffles are lotteries in the UK) for profit in the UK. So, Apex66 run it as a competition that you pay a fee to enter and you answer a "skilled based question", then the winner is drawn from a pool of correctly answered questions by random. This is so that they don't need a license from the Gambling Commission.


Also, they must offer free entry somehow. Usually you can post an entry to these things.


thats true, you can, but the price of a stamp these days and then the postcard etc, a lot of the time its cheaper to enter on the site anyway, and with how bad the post has been since covid, probably only get there after the comp has closed anyway
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PostPosted: 20:51 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks whoever used my code

Best of luck
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

FFs enough already. The way these competitions work is that only the people who set them up can statistically win over time and the £10 teaser is to drag people in so they keep gambling. It's essentially the same as roulette where 0 and 00 means the banker wins and no-one else can.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 17 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Artist wrote:

What do you consider good odds? I do a few competition entries but if you are looking for "good odds", these are horrendous value.


As I said, look at my winnings vs spend over the past 18 months or so... I'm about £120,000 up. I've never won that kind of money on roulette...
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 18 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
It's essentially the same as roulette where 0 and 00 means the banker wins and no-one else can.


Only 0 in the UK, means the house has a permanent 2.70% advantage over the player.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 18 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tracked their sales and what their likely gross profit is (I used the cheapest retail prices from google search as costs).

Given that they do a draw every four days and assuming this represents an average draw intake (likely represents a bad draw they kept moaning on stream they didn't sell well because everyone is on their holidays).

I reckon their Statement of Income and Retained Earnings is probably in the region of:

Turnover = £1,659,000
Cost of sales = £ 780,000
Gross profit = £ 879,000

I don't know their administrative expenses, etc so can't delve much deeper than that.

According to their Confirmation Statement, the shares are split equally amount the three Directors:

Daniel Guy Fulford,
Dean William Harfield,
Stuart Nevett.

So assuming they don't take a salary, their administrative expenses are capped at 20% (I don't see it costing more than £175.800 a year to run the website and pay incidentals, etc) and they retain 10% profit for future investment in the business (£87,000) then they are probably left with a pre-tax profit of £615,300.

Their tax burden on this figure would be £153,825 so profit after taxation around £461,475.

Assuming the three of them split it equally and take it out as a dividend then they three of them are probably making about £154,000 a year each off this business.

Not bad for doing a few hours work every 4 days.

Anyone want to go halfers with me on investment capital and we will make a competitor with the USP of better odds? Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 18 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Administration would be included in cost of sales.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 18 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Administration would be included in cost of sales.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 18 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thought i'd won something last night* when checking the list of winners, but it was my namesake who won, gutted




*plus, it was for a competition i hadn't entered
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 18 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Administration would be included in cost of sales.


Nope, comes out under gross profit. Example below. I've seen accounts with it included in cost of sale, but I see way more companies bring it out after gross profit along with distribution costs.

EDIT:

Links to Companies House documents don't seem to work so I attached it. Refer to Page 22.
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 18 Aug 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

How is admin a fixed cost?
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