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slowasyoulike Scooby Slapper
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Posted: 07:32 - 25 Feb 2023 Post subject: |
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Bhud wrote: | Has your CB250 ever been assessed for your claim it will never overheat? |
Surely if he's been using it for
in city traffic, then it's fair to say, by any reasonable metric, that his CB250 is tried and tested? Of course it might break down, but are you seriously suggesting that modern stuff is 100% guaranteed not to?
The truth is that people don't commonly ride 40+ YO bikes in the urban scramble because most lack the skills and/or level of interest required, not because it's 'eccentric' or whatever.
I ran a 1986 Helix as my daily for several years, up to the point where it was about 30 YO, so not quite a historic vehicle but a considerable age nonetheless. It suited my purpose so well that I went out of my way to look after it. They weren't even common back in the day, so I would keep an eye out for 2nd hand bits/crashed/wrecked ones on Gumtree, strip them and stash the bits for that 'rainy day'.
I ran it for the best part of six years in city traffic (not London, but still...) and it never over-heated, but then why would it? The motor was a 250cc single that knocked out just 19BHP when it was new, so hardly what you would call over-stressed. The only times it was out of use was when - like any modern - it needed service parts or tyres etc. It goes without saying that you need a bit of mechanical empathy running an old 'un as your daily; you develop an ear for new noises and work to pre-empt possible failures. But that's OK, because despite all the plastic bodywork, these are utterly basic, piss-simple machines to work on (unlike much of the modern stuff I've encountered).
It was comfortable, accelerated well up to about 50mph, had a massively capacious boot and the big screen and body kept the rain and road shit off you. Obviously I could have chopped it in for a new Burgman or similar, but that would have cost me £££ and it wouldn't have been any better than the Helix at doing it's job, so where would have been the logic in me doing that? |
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Nobby the Bastard Harley Gaydar
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A mate of mine had a viva as his daily driver which he sold a couple of years ago. Admittedly his has a 2 litre turbo diesel engine in it.... ____________________ trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
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Bhud wrote: | It's all arguments and anecdotes and unless someone is actually relying on a 40 year old bike to make a necessary commute into London, it's all moot. It's obvious and common sense to choose a more modern bike if you have to commute through London on one, and that's why when you stand beside a busy road in London, the bikes and scooters you see there are all fairly modern. Or old by some people's standards. Just not 40 years old. Sure, I could ride into London on a 40 year old bike for the hell of it. But that proves nothing. Common sense prevails in real life. |
What's your motive here? Are you trying to put people off old bikes just for the preservation aspects or do you suspect TFL will go ape if ppl start using them regularly? ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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There aren't enough commutable 40yr old bikes around to make it worthwhile TFL worrying about it. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good |
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I "get" whats been discussed here, but por favor...in 3 years or so we hit 1986 era, when watercooling became common enough. Buy something now, spend some time fixing it making it pretty and then treat yourself when 2026 comes around.
The scoot I'm currently preparing to give Kahn a big FU is 1986 suzuki, which has oil cooled pistons, water cooled head and air cooled cylinders. SATCS, and is fitted with an independent oil cooler in anycase. ____________________ Gone: Yamaha DT50lc, Suzuki DR500, Suzuki A100, Kawasaki z250ltd, RD350YPVS, Suzuki DR Big, Kawasaki AR125, Kawasaki KMX200, Suzuki GS1000S, Katana 1100, GS550M, Suzuki RGV250
Now: Suzuki GSX400X, Suzuki RF900R, NS400R |
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____________________ trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
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that_impulse_guy wrote: | I "get" whats been discussed here, but por favor...in 3 years or so we hit 1986 era, when watercooling became common enough. Buy something now, spend some time fixing it making it pretty and then treat yourself when 2026 comes around.
The scoot I'm currently preparing to give Kahn a big FU is 1986 suzuki, which has oil cooled pistons, water cooled head and air cooled cylinders. SATCS, and is fitted with an independent oil cooler in anycase. |
That's a great bike but just so you know, there's sometimes a consensus reality in matters concerning bikes which has little relation with actual reality... In this case (again just so you know) TfL has already published its plans to scrap ULEZ very soon and replace it with road charging, using the ULEZ cameras in the expanded zone. Nobody bothers to read that stuff but it's all on the TfL website. There's also a document saying that ULEZ as a whole has too many exemptions, and they don't like exemptions, and that road pricing solves that problem. So your strategy might entail pointless cost and be ultimately futile. I am just being a realistic person. |
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There's no ulterior motive - just that aircooled bikes are designed to be cooled down by the passage of air over them. Over the past 30 or so years, for example, the Hammersmith flyover has been regularly closed down. But it could be anything - a demonstration, an incident, or whatever. If there's a big build-up of traffic, a motorbike could be held up for quite a long time. In that situation, imagine you filter forwards as much as you can. You don't know when traffic will move. You switch off the engine after a few minutes. You think it will move so you turn it on again. You move forward a few metres. You wait several minutes, turn it off, etc. You just don't know how close you are to having a problem, if you have an aircooled bike, in that situation. What if it's a 40+ degree day, like in 2022? There is that uncertainty there. Most of the time, it will be fine. But how "most"? Is, for example, a 1 out of 50 possibility of failure an acceptable probability for a commuter?
Also, there's the point that the exemption will disappear just a little bit sooner if the bangernomics people jump on badly maintained, noisy and conspicuous old bikes to thumb their nose at Khan. But anyway, that can't be helped. |
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I only remembered it because I'd searched for GT550 stuff when I was doing that project, and came up with it on Google. That was years ago and it doesn't matter. The point is, we have to make decisions based on what we do know and what we don't know, and what we don't know can be more important than what we do know.
I mean, look at this guy's channel, for example:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCcxcOWPcVIykzWG_lqWuRWg/videos
It's a horror story of one major mechanical failure after another, with those old bikes. I can't see any fun or utility in those bikes at all. Who wants a bike that's one headache after another? No wonder they don't get used. Those bikes may have lasted for not as long as more modern Japanese bikes, but the potential points of failure are in many cases the same. We fix issues as they arise, and this is normal "maintenance" - exactly the same as the owners of the old bikes on that channel once did or perhaps still do. But a time comes when something just wears out or breaks, and then it needs the expertise and tool skills of a specialist like that guy. So I'm not trying to be right here. I just think it's a bit left field to try to counter the ULEZ problem with a 40+ year old bike vs, say, a 15 year old compliant bike. |
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____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 1 year, 35 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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