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DJP Crazy Courier
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Posted: 23:02 - 23 Feb 2023 Post subject: Decent(ish) Cheap(ish) Tyres? |
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For a Bandit 1250?
Let's get real here: I commute, tour and play (pretty restrained) silly buggers.
Yeah, yeah... I know - tyre hyperbole: Like every latest tyre is the best tyre ever, but I was pretty well blown away (and I mean quantum leap, blown away) when Michelin PR2s came out in the mid 2000s and I haven't felt the same quantum leap improvement with any tyre that I've used on any bike since.
So what's a decent (road normal) tyre these days?
Thanking you. ____________________ Suzuki Bandit 1250
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stinkwheel Bovine Proctologist
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Posted: 23:07 - 23 Feb 2023 Post subject: |
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I'm still going with the PR4, road5 or 6 as the best general purpose, roadgoing sportsbike tyre out there. Not the cheapest to buy, but they last and work really well even when well worn.
I was using maxxis supermaxx before that when i was doing a lot of long motorway and a-road work, they are cheap and ok. I'm not convinced they work out cheaper per mile. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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trevor saxe-coburg-gotha World Chat Champion
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Posted: 03:55 - 24 Feb 2023 Post subject: Re: Decent(ish) Cheap(ish) Tyres? |
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DJP wrote: | So what's a decent (road normal) tyre these days? |
You mean decent(ish) and cheap(ish) - and that's these, which for a set (120 front and 180 rear) is £162:
https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/pirelli-diablo-motorcycle-tyre-package-2003075/
Needless to say, for you those may be neither decent-ish nor cheap-ish enough. Most likely they're cheap enough but insufficiently decent.
If you've ever run a set of those, I'd be interested to know how you think they compare to the P2s. Sfaik, the Diablos have been around a fair while - longer than the P2s.
Bear with me a sec - I've got two ZX9rs. One has Diablos on it, the other Bridgestone T30s. The latter cost nearly twice as much iirc. Are they twice as good? No. They ARE better, but not 100% better. More like 50% better. Let's say I get 4-5k out of the Diablos. I get maybe 7k out of the T30s. I have had 10k, but never again.
Aside from longevity, the profile of the Diablos isn't quite as gradual feeling as the T30s, so to me they lack a sense of cosseting and reassurance on more technical roads. But it's much of a muchness. And what's more, I've come to the conclusion that the fronts on the Diablos wear more evenly than those on the T30s - and that definitely counts against the Bridgestones for me.
I'm just repeating stuff from the Touring Tyres for a CBR500 thread, though:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=335207
I suppose all I'm really saying is that those old Diablo tyres are imo "good enough". Btw they're not bad in the wet, either. I was surprised by that tbh. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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blurredman World Chat Champion
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Posted: 09:54 - 24 Feb 2023 Post subject: |
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I'm not the best person to perhaps comment as I always buy the cheapest I can from Taiwanese and Vietnamese makes etc. No more than £20 for a brand new tyre that sort of thing. They're much better than they were.
Anyway- the one tyre I do have and will probably keep buying on the particular machine is an Avon Roadrider II AM26.
It's old tyre design but I'm approaching 20,000 miles on the front of one of the bikes It is still round and unscalloped etc and still feels relatively nice grip wise despite being 8 years old. ____________________ CBT: 12/06/10, Theory: 22/09/10, Module 1: 09/11/10, Module 2: 19/01/11
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DJP Crazy Courier
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Posted: 14:13 - 24 Feb 2023 Post subject: |
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Thanks all so far. I'm not really looking at going for the cheapest but...
I was a Michelin fan boy for years, and as I said, I found the PR2 to be excellent. But since then I've been through the PR3, 4 and most recently the PR5 and never really felt the later ones to be much of an improvement.
My current bike came shod with nearly new Bridgestone BT023 and to be honest, I've not had a single issue with them.
Which makes me wonder if I've been overpaying for my tyres. The PR5 and 6 are at the upper end of the price range and I can't help wondering if something a bit more mid-priced might suit me just as well these days. ____________________ Suzuki Bandit 1250
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i really dont get putting cheap tyres on a high performance vehicle, especially if you ride in varied weather conditions. ____________________ current bike Yamaha Thunderace.
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to v or not to v wrote: | i really dont get putting cheap tyres on a high performance vehicle, especially if you ride in varied weather conditions. |
If you do around 20k per 12 months, you can find yourself putting close to 4 sets a year on (assuming you're enjoying your bike - and I don't mean traffic light grand prix stuff, i just mean rolling on heartily from 40 to 80+, etc.). That could be nudging a grand with fitting. Maybe a chunk more.
Also, and as I said, if you have two bikes the same - one with quite expensive tyres on, and one with pretty affordable tyres - you can get a very good idea of precisely how much difference there actually is. Any placebo effect can be ruled out. Just to repeat - I found the dearer tyres to be better....but not by much. What's more, the front on the cheaper set wore better imo. And, in terms of wet weather, I almost want to say the cheaper ones were marginally better. In any case, the difference was nowhere near as stark as I'd imagined it'd be. ____________________ "Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent."
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