This rather nasty episode...

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[Freddyfruitba...]

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I don't need to see it. It will just be another deliberate confusion of principle and implementation.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

And exactly what 'administration' failed?

The prosecutors that presented the evidence that convicted people?

The police who gathered the evidence?

The QC that defended the suspect and refuted that evidence?

The jury that believed the evidence with no doubt?

The judge who oversaw the trial and was there to ensure fairness?
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[Freddyfruitba...]

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Okay, evidently I'm not explaining myself correctly.

Question 1: is it morally acceptable for to deprive someone of life in a narrow range of circumstances?

Question 2: is the State capable of implementing said executions to an acceptable level of accuracy?

These are two separate questions. I do not want to hear "No to 1 because of 2" because, with all due respect, that's dodging the tough moral questions by hiding in the weeds of detail.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Okay. No to 1 because then someone else has to take a life. This is known to be psycologially damaging and no right minded person would put themselves through it, leaving the sociopaths and their ilk to be your executioneers.

Really not the group you want to encourage.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

I said thats the moral reason why not. It doesn't take into account the real world whichis covered by your reason 2.

Reason 2 isn't really solvable so should stand as a basis against capital punishment without even worrying about morality. I personally find the thought of killing someone for killing someone else morally repugnant in the first place. It's not any attempt at restoration, doesn't allow for rehabilitation, history tells us it doesn't really reduce serious crime and thus you just come down to revenge.

This boils down to an eye for an eye as revenge. That in my view is no basis for a criminal justice system.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

What I find the most bizarre is that people typically most pro capital punishment are likely to be anti abortion.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Ending a pregnancy when it's before 13 weeks so no consciousness isn't really comparable to ending a fully formed conscious person.
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As ever I'm trying to gauge whether there's a line and whether it's moveable (a point of negotiation.) Anyway, given execution is perfectly legal in this country it just seems a shame we can't broaden it out to public executions and make a day of it

BTW the 13 week thing's a bit spurious as it's quite easy to argue, in psychological terms, that there isn't a "person" till somewhere around 2~5 years. Before then you just have a whirling dervish of pure ego
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[Nobby the Bastard]

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[Nobby the Bastard]

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IIRC correctly California takes great pains to obfuscate the reasons on their abortions statistics. I made a futile attempt to find that nugget but it seems Google search results are very... polarised

Anyhoo, among a Pew report there's the question:

"What is the abortion rate among women in the U.S.?" (my emphasis)

What a world where that has to be spelt out
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I think we can all agree that the US penal system is pretty bad all over. Keeping people on death row indefinitely seems unusually cruel.
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