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PostPosted: 01:30 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of all the professions you may encounter, a Policeman is statistically more likely to be convicted criminal than any other profession.
Seems ridiculous, but coppers don't automatically lose their job if they get found guilty of a crime.
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PostPosted: 03:08 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Ste wrote:
Based on absolutely nothing, I'd be confident that even the most uptight dickhead policeman officer who lets his mates get away with all sorts of dodginess isn't going to be an active bystander in anything that's in the slightest bit even vaguely related to child sexual abuse.

On a different note, the idea of unconscious bias training is so woke and that's not in a good progressive way. Laughing


Is this how people think? That children vulnerable to abuse are looked after when so called professionals are made aware of the situation? Believe me that's not how it works.


Rotherham would be the classic example Sad
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm amazed that anyone with a brain thought that the percentages haven't been this way for years - it's just that more stuff comes to light these days. That's the only thing that has changed. You are still statistically more likely to get a good cop than a bad one. Doesn't help if you're the one that a copper like Wayne gets his hands on.

A 'bent' copper has been a thing since the oldest profession on the books was a thing.

The British tabloid media is a far worse animal IMO.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Apparently not. I understand that several in his whatsapp group have been prosecuted so it went beyond 'in joke' territory.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/03/06/16/68391515-11826415-image-a-15_1678120395501.jpg
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"A Metropolitan Police officer and his former colleague have been jailed for 12 weeks for sharing grossly offensive messages in a WhatsApp group with Sarah Everard's killer – and then bailed ahead of an appeal against their convictions.

Constable Jonathon Cobban, 35, and ex-PC Joel Borders, 45, were found guilty of the offences in September.

The pair were found to be members of a chat group called "Bottle and Stoppers", along with Wayne Couzens, earlier this year.

Couzens is currently serving a whole-life sentence for the kidnap, rape and murder of 33-year-old Ms Everard in March last year, while he was working in the police force.

In the group, Cobban and Borders were found to have swapped messages about tasering children and people with disabilities, and which referred to Hounslow as a "Somali s*******" in 2019.

In an exchange on 5 April that year, Borders wrote: "I can't wait to get on guns so I can shoot some c*** in the face!"

Cobban responded: "Me too. I want to taser a cat and a dog to see which reacts better. I think the cat will get more p***** off and the dog will s***. I wanna test this theory. Same with children. Zap zap you little f******."

In the same month, Borders joked about raping a female colleague, who he referred to as a "sneaky b****".

District Judge Sarah Turnock jailed Cobban and Borders for 12 weeks, saying she could not think of "more grossly offensive messages" - but bailed the pair ahead of an appeal against their convictions at the High Court.

"They encapsulated the full range of prejudiced views, racism, misogyny, ableism and homophobia," the judge said.

"The persons to whom these messages relate will undoubtedly been caused great distress by knowing police officers find it funny to joke about them in such a deeply offensive manner.

"Significant harm has undoubtedly been caused to public confidence in policing as a result of these offences."

The officers described the messages as "banter" and dismissed many of the comments as examples of "dark humour".

But the judge rejected this account, finding that at the very least the extensive police training they had each received meant they would have been aware of the public reaction to their messages.

She said Cobban and Borders had shown no "genuine remorse" but were "indignant" to find themselves before the court and felt they were being "scapegoated".

"This humour was covert and done in a covert way, to exchange banter in a safe space and they felt like they had free rein to share their views without fear of retribution," she said.

Nicholas Yeo, defending, said that along with losing their jobs, Borders and Cobban would be victims of "cancel culture" because their names have "become toxic".

"If they had committed robbery or GBH they would find it easier to find a job than being linked to the furore of Mr Couzens," he said.

"They were in no better position than anyone else to know what he would go on and do."

PC William Neville, 34, who was also a member of the WhatsApp chat, was cleared in September of two counts of sending grossly offensive messages.

The police watchdog previously said all six officers who were in the group with Couzens are accused of breaching police standards of professional behaviour."

Sounds like quite a few of us (including Nobby) will be going to prison when a certain pervert called Dan gets caught carrying out his fantasies that we all joked about.

Saucy: https://news.sky.com/story/met-police-officer-jonathon-cobban-and-ex-pc-joel-borders-sentenced-to-12-weeks-for-sharing-offensive-messages-with-whatsapp-group-with-sarah-everards-killer-12736402

Silence is violence, you should have gone to the police with your concerns and told them about his unhealthy interests in shaving women, dressing them in knitwear and attaching mylar balloons to the woolly crime scene.

And what about the missing Teffers? One day the corpse will be found strangle wanked to death with a CB125 throttle cable around his neck and the throttle inserted inside teffers bum hole. If you'd gone to the cops then teffers would still be alive, instead you joined in joking about Dan in the safest of private WhatsApp groups.

Careful now.


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PostPosted: 10:14 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there's an element of the general breakdown of public services due to austerity/toriespolicywetdreamcometrue.

We have to take responsibility as a nation when it comes to public services, we have to understand that, policing is not hero coppers chasing down gangsters, healthcare is not big titted mummys who will cuddle you into their bosom when you feel poorly, social services isn't dozy home knit wooden earing wearing hippies giving free stuff to chavs and schools are not grange hill.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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While 50 coppers arrested in child porn raids is pretty disguisting it's all got out of hand and is a witch hunt now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro popo but every big and little thing is being plastered across MSM. There are thousands of good police officers and they are being dragged down by a few, and it is a few, and the media.

Maybe, in the same way that thay don't say someones race so they don't want to tar the whole community with one persons crimes we shold stop plastering the persons job all over the media.

Of course that would lead to screams of 'cover up'.

I don't know the answer except that obviously recruitment policy needs to improve, just at a time they are lowering it for diversity reasons according to some sources.

It's a right fcuk up but at least we don't give the majority guns.


Nope.

The reason the 'organisation' gets plastered with shite is coz They are an organisation designed to prevent crime and uphold the law.

It is the organisation's responsibility to weed out the Poo-Poo in the Po-Po.

I accept, its not an overnight thing bit they kuhnts have had over 200 years to think about it.

I look at selection and vetting and control as they do in the air transport industry.
If it weren't for very tight controls over who flies what and where, air travel would be a disaster.

Marine industry is a great example of Hee-Haw meaningful control.
Flags of Convenience et al.

(Ah'm not picking on you as the forum Sailor Matey.. but you know what it is like on the High Seas.)
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PostPosted: 17:23 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hmmm? Surely as a police officer, their conduct should be beyond reproach.
Their integrity should be of the highest value.
We seem to be forgetting that in this day and age , this does not appear to be the case in the modern police forces.

The media keep finding/revealing these stories of bad coppers.

Maybe it’s time to look at recruiting policies and stop pandering to political correctness/making up the numbers and spend more time ensuring those that do join the force are fit and proper persons.


Comment by a political person today.

Met may require to be Dismantled.

That might mean Martial law for that Lahndahn until a reorganisation of the Met is completed.

I'm all for that. Very Happy

Send in the Black and Tans. (Are they still a thing?)
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weren't Black and Tans NI police?

Black marias aren't black any more.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Weren't Black and Tans NI police?

Black marias aren't black any more.


They were Royal Irish police (meaning the whole of Ireland) recruited mostly from ex soldiers that were battle hardened during WWI. This was during the independence struggles.
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 21 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The met have been institutionally rotten since the 1970s. Weeding out the shite isn't going to easy or trivial that's for sure.
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
The met have been institutionally rotten since the 1970s. Weeding out the shite isn't going to easy or trivial that's for sure.


"Institutionally" says to me if you completely removed all the people within it and replaced them you would still have the same problems.
I'm not sure that racism, misogyny etc are written into police procedures? However many rotten apples there are, I think "institutionally" is the wrong term. Is anyone training these coppers to be that way through officially sanctioned procedure?
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PostPosted: 01:37 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lets just get rid of the met. End of. Waste of space.

Of course then we will see the rise of institutionally crimilanised black culture won't we.
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PostPosted: 01:40 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now I'm away from the metropolis I note that even Devon & Cornwall Police are under "special measures" and fuck all happens down here. Two hopes for the Met...

...one of them's Bob.
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PostPosted: 03:30 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got pulled over in my Chevette. They said there were a lot of thefts from cars and had heard my stereo earlier in town. Whilst one was asking questions the other pulled out the stereo...well more like wrenched it out wires n all.

No apologies.

Was sabbing a hunt (Cheshire forest Foxhounds) and got arrested for likely to cause a breach of the peace (certainly not the case...plus it's a 'flexible law'). Despite the whipper-in hitting one sab on the head with a crop we were the ones taken away for the day...later learned that some police were active with that hunt.

No apologies when released.
Not interested in photo evidence.

Entering a music festival to have one question whilst the other emptied my rucksack onto the ground.
Didn't find anything. No apologies.

Guess those experiences clouded my thoughts... I've also had good experiences.

Fancy Dress party.
Copper dressed in body stocking with helmet (badge removed) that had a tube that shot out shaving foam...Plod as a giant nob that jizzed....very funny when you're a teenager. He also gave me some lovely Red Leb.

Riding back with a half of green in my pocket...got pulled as I was entering the 100mph club...'Follow me sign' Thought Ahh well that's the clean sheet gone and all the etcs that go with 100mph and drugs.

Luckily either he had no sense of smell or he decided to just do me for the speeding (both would have flucked-up quite a few things as it can turn out).
Sat in the back on that volvo was surreal and very smelly.... I used to get some excellent drugs...but now I'm a good boy (3 years..woot) and my body a temple..although ruined...because of the afore mentioned excellent drugs.

Late for work...me and the girlfriend had been on the nest for most of the night. Police steps out waving us down. 48 in a 30. Told us off..Let us off as we looked so flucking tired.

Party....New cop was with us. He'd obviously had his hedonistic days and wanted to party. The rest of us asked when they were back in. Turns out coke doesn't last as long as 10 days off work....so the person partied very well...no kittens harmed.

People who really really want to be cops shouldn't be cops. It's a messy job. Consistency is key ...nowt worse than a cop on a bad day.
Be objective and don't think that only sh!t stuff is going on with people that look or act differently than those with a silver spoon upbringing.

I don't live near London so only pick-up on The Mets goings-on occasionally ...They're a sh!te setup and appear to have way too many wrong'uns. The brand is tarnished...I suspect it'll be re-branded. With 'we now have 'external' investigations into those racists...rapists..abusers...stalkers that we used to employ'.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was sabbing a hunt (Cheshire forest Foxhounds) and got arrested for likely to cause a breach of the peace (certainly not the case...plus it's a 'flexible law'). Despite the whipper-in hitting one sab on the head with a crop we were the ones taken away for the day...later learned that some police were active with that hunt.

No apologies when released.


Sabotaging someone else's legal (however much you dislike them) activities is a bit beyond peaceful protest, and could be seen as provocative. Sorry, not much sympathy from me on this one.
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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Was sabbing a hunt (Cheshire forest Foxhounds) and got arrested for likely to cause a breach of the peace (certainly not the case...plus it's a 'flexible law'). Despite the whipper-in hitting one sab on the head with a crop we were the ones taken away for the day...later learned that some police were active with that hunt.

No apologies when released.


Sabotaging someone else's legal (however much you dislike them) activities is a bit beyond peaceful protest, and could be seen as provocative. Sorry, not much sympathy from me on this one.


Police Police Police Police look out guys, it's chickenstrip. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
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Was sabbing a hunt (Cheshire forest Foxhounds) and got arrested for likely to cause a breach of the peace (certainly not the case...plus it's a 'flexible law'). Despite the whipper-in hitting one sab on the head with a crop we were the ones taken away for the day...later learned that some police were active with that hunt.

No apologies when released.


Sabotaging someone else's legal (however much you dislike them) activities is a bit beyond peaceful protest, and could be seen as provocative. Sorry, not much sympathy from me on this one.


But no complains from you about the actually illegal drugs?
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won’t defend the minority of bad coppers, but using the modern, blanket term ‘institutional’ to tar everyone with the same brush will have made it pretty damn hard to patrol the streets last night. (Do they still ‘patrol’?).

As the man responsible for policing in London Sadiq Khan had been keenly Twittering false news about crime reductions in that London but he was also quick off the mark in supporting this latest report and blaming anyone but himself. Horrible man.
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The Poll tax when introduced in '89 was legal. A lot of people didn't agree with it...it got changed.

Just because something that was/is deemed legal doesn't make it correct.

That's as much of a rise you'll get from me Nick....if that was your intention.
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Howling Terror wrote:
The Poll tax when introduced in '89 was legal. A lot of people didn't agree with it...it got changed.

Just because something that was/is deemed legal doesn't make it correct.

That's as much of a rise you'll get from me Nick....if that was your intention.


I was merely stating my opinion Pat, nothing more was meant.
The poll tax was rightly protested against, but I couldn't condone the rioting that went with those protests. Too many people are ready to accept such things when it is in the name of causes they agree with, but are quick to condemn it when against something they believe in. You can't have that in a functioning democracy. Either you are ok with rioting and violent protest, or you are not. I am not, for any cause.
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hunt sabbing does features violence but its invariably not the sabs doing it.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 22 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ain't it the way that mass protest can often result in violence and/or destruction of the very things the protesters could rely on. Smashing up your local burger shop or off-licence..buses....a manifestation of frustrations.


Violence is the last resort with the majority of protestations settled by education, dialogue or pressure. Yet throughout human history it can come down to something like the Kett's Rebellion for example. Or a mass trespass or the French Revolution to get results.

Direct non-violent action was why I sabbed. M/cr Hunt Sabs were a varied group when I was active..Firefighter...builder...secretary..care worker and a few students. I never witnessed violence unlike the hunt supporters.
Tyres slashed on the van..windows smashed...threatening verbals... you know the scene.

The police were amazing and continue to be amazing in their willingness to turn a blind eye.
Hunting with dogs was banned and yet hunts still continue.
It's ineffective, time consuming, costly and at its roots cruel.

I don't need sympathy.
Protest and survive. (Nicked that from the band Discharge who nicked it from Edward Palmer Thompson).
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Im a Sab, biggest in the Village, or so its told,
Some ya ya`s came over from Notts to run a supposed scented (fake) hunt, But i got footage of them chasing a live fox, so i did something about it, I tried to speak to the head yaya, with his horn and he literally jumped the hedge and fecked off,
Drove home and flagged down a local plod car that was about, two of the finest police officers you can train were questioned about the hunt, I asked where they were and they actually told me, I informed them they shouldnt go too far as there may be issues,
As I shot off one of my neighbours saw the interaction and said the two coppers looked at each other, shook their heads and shot off, in the opposite direction, wanted nothing to do with it,

So I got the TT250R out and made chase over the fields, he was fecking shocked to see me again, after we had words I blocked all their vehicles in for around 2 hours,
It was all over their Facebook about this Sab(Me) and I have to say they havent been back again.

And I have a few stories about bad coppers, but I actually dated a female officer for some time, and the stories I heard only made my hatred for them greater.

I did get my own back once, a story that made page 3 of the Sun, back when there were topless ladies on the same page, no I wasnt the model . . . .
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Howling Terror wrote:
Ain't it the way that mass protest can often result in violence and/or destruction of the very things the protesters could rely on. Smashing up your local burger shop or off-licence..buses....a manifestation of frustrations.


Violence is the last resort with the majority of protestations settled by education, dialogue or pressure. Yet throughout human history it can come down to something like the Kett's Rebellion for example. Or a mass trespass or the French Revolution to get results.

Direct non-violent action was why I sabbed. M/cr Hunt Sabs were a varied group when I was active..Firefighter...builder...secretary..care worker and a few students. I never witnessed violence unlike the hunt supporters.
Tyres slashed on the van..windows smashed...threatening verbals... you know the scene.

The police were amazing and continue to be amazing in their willingness to turn a blind eye.
Hunting with dogs was banned and yet hunts still continue.
It's ineffective, time consuming, costly and at its roots cruel.

I don't need sympathy.
Protest and survive. (Nicked that from the band Discharge who nicked it from Edward Palmer Thompson).


Tbh Pat, I'm getting a bit tired of protests over this and protests over that. It seems sometimes it's all we ever hear about. Don't these people have lives to get on with? There's nothing less impressive than a professional protestor.
Having said that, if you're protesting about something that directly affects you, that I can understand. But half these folk could go away and do their thing and they'd never know anything about some of the stuff they protest about.
"Activism" is becoming tainted, s dirty word in my book lately.
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PostPosted: 00:38 - 23 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^We should organise a protest.

For me it's important at the very least to understand why an often large group of people are willing to risk arrest.
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