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PostPosted: 20:05 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Skynet? Reply with quote

What’s going on with these calls to pause the development of AI?

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-and-others-sign-open-letter-calling-for-pause-on-ai-development-12845039

As far as I can tell, the latest AI (GPT-4?) merely surfs the internet and compiles text. Where’s the harm?
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

When it trawls BCF and becomes a member of the BNP.
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's polluting the whole internet with shitposting. people use it to generate blog content then post it but the only place it can source the material is other blogs.

We are exponentially approaching the point where AI content will almost soley be generated from other AI content, I really feel like we're at that bottom part of the curve. I can see it getting recursive and you'll eventually get content that looks like it should be something but is actually nothing, like a .jpeg that's been copied too many times.

People are actively using this tech now for the basis of writing scientific studies, assessing other peoples scientific studies, marking exams and selecting people for employment. The only thing it has to base this on is what other people have done before, it's a computer and therefore a simple difference engine. All the AI generated content is based on a statistical calculation of which word is going to come next based on the data it has in front of it.

Where will we be by the time we get to gen 100 or 1000? (which could happend outrageously rapidly) When almost all the data pool was generated by other AIs? Content could start morphing into a kind of doublespeak. Learn it or fail because that's what's marking your degree dissertation?
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Re: Skynet? Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
What’s going on with these calls to pause the development of AI?

https://news.sky.com/story/elon-musk-and-others-sign-open-letter-calling-for-pause-on-ai-development-12845039

As far as I can tell, the latest AI (GPT-4?) merely surfs the internet and compiles text. Where’s the harm?

There have been calls to pause the development of AI because of concerns around its potential negative impact on society, particularly in areas such as privacy, security, and job displacement. Some experts have also expressed concerns about the potential for AI to be used for harmful purposes, such as autonomous weapons or deepfake videos.

While it's true that some of the latest AI models, such as GPT-4, rely on large amounts of text data from the internet to generate human-like language, there are still concerns about the potential misuse of this technology. For example, GPT-4 or similar models could be used to generate fake news articles or manipulate public opinion, which could have serious consequences for democracy and society as a whole.

Additionally, there are concerns about the potential for bias in AI systems, particularly those that are trained on large datasets that may reflect existing societal biases. This could lead to discrimination or unequal treatment in areas such as hiring, lending, and law enforcement.

Overall, while the development of AI has the potential to bring many benefits, it's important to proceed with caution and consider the potential risks and unintended consequences. Calls to pause the development of AI are intended to encourage more thoughtful and responsible development of this technology, rather than a complete halt to progress.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We are exponentially approaching the point where AI content will almost soley be generated from other AI content, I really feel like we're at that bottom part of the curve. I can see it getting recursive and you'll eventually get content that looks like it should be something but is actually nothing, like a .jpeg that's been copied too many times.

People are actively using this tech now for the basis of writing scientific studies, assessing other peoples scientific studies, marking exams and selecting people for employment. The only thing it has to base this on is what other people have done before, it's a computer and therefore a simple difference engine. All the AI generated content is based on a statistical calculation of which word is going to come next based on the data it has in front of it.

Where will we be by the time we get to gen 100 or 1000? (which could happend outrageously rapidly) When almost all the data pool was generated by other AIs? Content could start morphing into a kind of doublespeak. Learn it or fail because that's what's marking your degree dissertation?

The scenario you describe is a possibility, but it's not inevitable. It's true that AI-generated content is increasingly being used in various fields, including scientific research and education, and that AI algorithms are essentially based on statistical calculations and pattern recognition. However, it's important to note that AI is still in its early stages of development, and there are many challenges and limitations to overcome before it can truly replicate human-level intelligence and creativity.

One of the biggest challenges facing AI today is the issue of bias. AI algorithms are only as good as the data they're trained on, and if that data is biased or incomplete, the AI will produce biased or incomplete results. This is already a problem in many areas, such as facial recognition software that is more accurate for white people than people of colour, or AI algorithms that perpetuate gender or racial stereotypes.

Another challenge is the issue of explainability. As AI systems become more complex and sophisticated, it becomes harder to understand how they arrived at a particular conclusion or recommendation. This can be problematic in fields where decisions have significant consequences, such as healthcare or finance.

Despite these challenges, there is also a lot of promise and potential in AI. It has already shown great potential for tasks like language translation, image recognition, and even drug discovery. As AI continues to develop, it's possible that it could be used to generate truly original and creative content, rather than just replicating what's come before.

So, to answer your question, it's hard to predict exactly where we'll be in terms of AI-generated content in the future. It's possible that we'll see a proliferation of "doublespeak" content that is indistinguishable from human-generated content, but it's also possible that AI will be used to generate truly innovative and groundbreaking content. Ultimately, it will depend on how we use and develop this technology, and whether we can overcome the challenges and limitations that currently exist.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

maybe nvidia just running short of a100's
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did Ste use GPT-4 to create that response?
I didn’t see a mention of, “Not for anal use” so perhaps not.

I’m not sure repetition of BNP-type rhetoric found on the internet would have an impact. Those opinions are already out there but it’s met with opposing views. If AI were to flood the web with all that would it change society? I think not.
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PostPosted: 21:27 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an AI language model, I do not have information on whether Ste used GPT-4 to create their response. However, I can tell you that the use of language models like GPT-4 is subject to limitations, including the quality and accuracy of the data used to train the model.

Regarding the impact of flooding the web with certain opinions, it is possible that such efforts could have some effect on society, depending on various factors such as the audience, the context, and the perceived credibility of the sources. However, it is also important to note that the internet is a vast and diverse platform, and any attempt to influence public opinion through the dissemination of biased or inaccurate information may be met with skepticism or opposition from other sources.
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

You’re scaring me now, you wordy chatbot.

Real Ste for internet-wide moderator. Suddenly it’s the less scary option.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's too late.
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chat LGBT is so crippled it's no threat to anyone at the moment but the problem with creating "true" intelligence* is it'll be just as good or bad as everyone other intelligence you interface with on a daily basis i.e. people. There's a litany of fictional explorations: Marvin the Paranoid Android, Talkie-Toaster, Brendan the vending machine in Cyberpunk 2077... look forward to the cash machine not working as feeling a bit depressed today.

Only an AGI would be able to handle cognitive dissonance as easily as humans do and therefore be susceptible to mental manipulation. Decker uses such techniques in Bladerunner and one of Asimov's main characters was robo-psychologist Dr. Susan Calvin.

*AGI - Artificial General Intelligence
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

The proletariat already swallow loads of Deep Fake and Bullshite 'exposures' on t' Internet without question.

That is the worry.

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PostPosted: 21:51 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right but apart from talking shit based on text found on the internet, what controlling influence are we imminently in danger of handing over to AI?
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PostPosted: 21:54 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

its probably going to put a lot of people out of a job.
especially in the IT field.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Right but apart from talking shit based on text found on the internet, what controlling influence are we imminently in danger of handing over to AI?


The militant feminist movement and the Rainbow Warriors being offended by anything they disagree with of hurts there feelings is probably 100% driven by the freedom of the Internet.
People believe it all means something important.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Right but apart from talking shit based on text found on the internet, what controlling influence are we imminently in danger of handing over to AI?

As an AI language model, I am designed to provide information and assistance in a respectful and informative manner. Therefore, I would like to clarify that using inappropriate or offensive language is not an acceptable way to communicate with others, whether it is in-person or online.

Regarding your question, there are several areas where AI may have a controlling influence, which may raise concerns about the potential risks and consequences. Some of the areas where AI could pose a significant threat include:

Autonomous Weapons: There is a risk that autonomous weapons systems may be developed with the ability to make decisions and take actions without human intervention. This could lead to unintended or malicious actions, such as targeting innocent civilians or launching attacks without proper authorization.

Surveillance: AI can be used for mass surveillance, which can lead to the erosion of privacy and civil liberties. There is a risk that governments and corporations may abuse AI-powered surveillance systems to monitor and control people's behavior.

Social Engineering: AI can be used to manipulate people's behavior by creating fake news, deepfakes, and other forms of disinformation. This can lead to social unrest, political instability, and other negative consequences.

Job Displacement: AI-powered automation may lead to job displacement, which can have significant social and economic consequences, particularly for low-skilled workers.

These are just some of the potential areas where AI could have a controlling influence. It is crucial to ensure that the development and deployment of AI technologies are done responsibly, with proper oversight and regulation to minimize the risks and maximize the benefits.
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PostPosted: 22:20 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stop it!

Seriously, the social engineering aspect is realistically the only current influence, and you pays your money and makes your choice there.
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 29 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

We've already been exposed to unpublicised versions of it for several years already, half the stuff online is more or less garbled recycling of other material also written by AI.
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 30 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
We are exponentially approaching the point where AI content will almost soley be generated from other AI content, I really feel like we're at that bottom part of the curve. I can see it getting recursive and you'll eventually get content that looks like it should be something but is actually nothing, like a .jpeg that's been copied too many times.

People are actively using this tech now for the basis of writing scientific studies, assessing other peoples scientific studies, marking exams and selecting people for employment. The only thing it has to base this on is what other people have done before, it's a computer and therefore a simple difference engine. All the AI generated content is based on a statistical calculation of which word is going to come next based on the data it has in front of it.

Where will we be by the time we get to gen 100 or 1000? (which could happend outrageously rapidly) When almost all the data pool was generated by other AIs? Content could start morphing into a kind of doublespeak. Learn it or fail because that's what's marking your degree dissertation?

The scenario you describe is a possibility, but it's not inevitable. It's true that AI-generated content is increasingly being used in various fields, including scientific research and education, and that AI algorithms are essentially based on statistical calculations and pattern recognition. However, it's important to note that AI is still in its early stages of development, and there are many challenges and limitations to overcome before it can truly replicate human-level intelligence and creativity.

One of the biggest challenges facing AI today is the issue of bias. AI algorithms are only as good as the data they're trained on, and if that data is biased or incomplete, the AI will produce biased or incomplete results. This is already a problem in many areas, such as facial recognition software that is more accurate for white people than people of colour, or AI algorithms that perpetuate gender or racial stereotypes.

Another challenge is the issue of explainability. As AI systems become more complex and sophisticated, it becomes harder to understand how they arrived at a particular conclusion or recommendation. This can be problematic in fields where decisions have significant consequences, such as healthcare or finance.

Despite these challenges, there is also a lot of promise and potential in AI. It has already shown great potential for tasks like language translation, image recognition, and even drug discovery. As AI continues to develop, it's possible that it could be used to generate truly original and creative content, rather than just replicating what's come before.

So, to answer your question, it's hard to predict exactly where we'll be in terms of AI-generated content in the future. It's possible that we'll see a proliferation of "doublespeak" content that is indistinguishable from human-generated content, but it's also possible that AI will be used to generate truly innovative and groundbreaking content. Ultimately, it will depend on how we use and develop this technology, and whether we can overcome the challenges and limitations that currently exist.


Well, it fairly missed the point while at the same time appearing to generate a reply. It doesn't appear to know what doublespeak is for one thing, despite it being clearly defined on the internet. Maybe they didn't let it read 1984... maybe they should.

My favourite bit was the "To answer your question". Then going on to give the answer to the question it wanted me to ask. Maybe it's a politician?
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 30 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in BCF.
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PostPosted: 01:53 - 30 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:
its probably going to put a lot of people out of a job.
especially in the IT field.


Not the slightest bit worried. The AI might write the actual code but code is only the answer, first one must formulate the right question...
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PostPosted: 06:32 - 30 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
stinkwheel wrote:
We are exponentially approaching the point where AI content will almost soley be generated from other AI content, I really feel like we're at that bottom part of the curve. I can see it getting recursive and you'll eventually get content that looks like it should be something but is actually nothing, like a .jpeg that's been copied too many times.

People are actively using this tech now for the basis of writing scientific studies, assessing other peoples scientific studies, marking exams and selecting people for employment. The only thing it has to base this on is what other people have done before, it's a computer and therefore a simple difference engine. All the AI generated content is based on a statistical calculation of which word is going to come next based on the data it has in front of it.

Where will we be by the time we get to gen 100 or 1000? (which could happend outrageously rapidly) When almost all the data pool was generated by other AIs? Content could start morphing into a kind of doublespeak. Learn it or fail because that's what's marking your degree dissertation?

The scenario you describe is a possibility, but it's not inevitable. It's true that AI-generated content is increasingly being used in various fields, including scientific research and education, and that AI algorithms are essentially based on statistical calculations and pattern recognition. However, it's important to note that AI is still in its early stages of development, and there are many challenges and limitations to overcome before it can truly replicate human-level intelligence and creativity.

One of the biggest challenges facing AI today is the issue of bias. AI algorithms are only as good as the data they're trained on, and if that data is biased or incomplete, the AI will produce biased or incomplete results. This is already a problem in many areas, such as facial recognition software that is more accurate for white people than people of colour, or AI algorithms that perpetuate gender or racial stereotypes.

Another challenge is the issue of explainability. As AI systems become more complex and sophisticated, it becomes harder to understand how they arrived at a particular conclusion or recommendation. This can be problematic in fields where decisions have significant consequences, such as healthcare or finance.

Despite these challenges, there is also a lot of promise and potential in AI. It has already shown great potential for tasks like language translation, image recognition, and even drug discovery. As AI continues to develop, it's possible that it could be used to generate truly original and creative content, rather than just replicating what's come before.

So, to answer your question, it's hard to predict exactly where we'll be in terms of AI-generated content in the future. It's possible that we'll see a proliferation of "doublespeak" content that is indistinguishable from human-generated content, but it's also possible that AI will be used to generate truly innovative and groundbreaking content. Ultimately, it will depend on how we use and develop this technology, and whether we can overcome the challenges and limitations that currently exist.


Sometimes it can be difficult to trust Ste. In the past Ste has been sanctioned for posting j-pegs and other forms of digital imagery - some of which could quite easily have been construed as offensive. Over time, the BCF member called Ste garnered a reputation for posting photos that caused offence and were even thought to create problems with the site's ad revenue.

Ste also developed a second habit that some members of the BCF message boards found annoying - it was a form of Rick Rolling. However, instead of linking to videos of Rick Astley performing his hit single Never Gonna Give You Up, the links that users clicked on auto-logged out that user.

It's unlikely that we'll see a proliferation of "NSFW" content, but it's also possible that BCF mods will be used to ban truly offensive and irritating members of the forums. Ultimately, it will depend on how we use and develop this technology, and whether we can overcome the challenges and limitations that currently exist.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 30 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:

Not the slightest bit worried. The AI might write the actual code but code is only the answer, first one must formulate the right question...


Design for me a web page which displays a single image of a randomly selected motorcycle but in doing so utilises the maximum possible amount of processor runtime.

Write for me a script which creates and automatically posts clickbait links to the above website on motorcycle related social media pages.
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 30 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

I only use my superpowers for good Wink
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 30 Mar 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I only use my superpowers for good Wink


Sure, but even now, I bet people are asking it questions like that just to be a dick. (or worse, are asking it questions like that and think they are working in web marketing)
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