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Room-101
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PostPosted: 08:21 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Failed mod 1 can’t get new test Reply with quote
Hi everyone, so I failed my mod1 last week and my instructor is saying he can’t get any new test dates till at least July as they are all booked.

Would I be wrong to contact another instructor and see if they have any spare tests available and if so, do it through them?
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Re: Failed mod 1 can’t get new test Reply with quote
Room-101 wrote:
Hi everyone, so I failed my mod1 last week and my instructor is saying he can’t get any new test dates till at least July as they are all booked.

Would I be wrong to contact another instructor and see if they have any spare tests available and if so, do it through them?

It's a free market, but maybe you failed because you need more practice in which case some more tuition might help
you not balls it up next time?
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
I may be wrong, but I think you'll find that's going to be the case this time of year as aspiring new riders rush to get their licences in spring for the summer. There's 2 guys I work with doing this right now.

Like Grr said, maybe just use the time to work on what you need to. Or try your luck and see if any other schools have had a cancellation maybe, it happens.

Good luck either way.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Re: Failed mod 1 can’t get new test Reply with quote
dave001 wrote:
Room-101 wrote:
Hi everyone, so I failed my mod1 last week and my instructor is saying he can’t get any new test dates till at least July as they are all booked.

Would I be wrong to contact another instructor and see if they have any spare tests available and if so, do it through them?


what did you fail on and maybe could you ask if intructor can get you another test booked at a deifferent test center



I failed by locking up my rear wheel by slamming my back brake on when doing the emergency stop. Never done it at all in my practice sessions and after my test we went and did more practice and never did it then either. It was also fairly wet.

Since failing my instructor basically spat his dummy out being really moody and was saying we would have to wait for this certain test centre as he wasn’t willing to go elsewhere. He is also planning on taking most of May and June off so I’m a bit stuck.

I’ve looked at availability myself at other test centres and can see some availability just don’t have the bike to use.
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PostPosted: 17:00 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Taking May and June off at arguably the busiest time of the year for motorcycle instructors?! Sounds sus to me,
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PostPosted: 18:03 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Re: Failed mod 1 can’t get new test Reply with quote
Room-101 wrote:



I failed by locking up my rear wheel by slamming my back brake on when doing the emergency stop. Never done it at all in my practice sessions and after my test we went and did more practice and never did it then either. It was also fairly wet.

Since failing my instructor basically spat his dummy out being really moody and was saying we would have to wait for this certain test centre as he wasn’t willing to go elsewhere. He is also planning on taking most of May and June off so I’m a bit stuck.

I’ve looked at availability myself at other test centres and can see some availability just don’t have the bike to use.


Instructor sounds like a dickhead, leave him a review saying exactly what he's planning on doing and find another one
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Contact other training schools locally to see what they have to say.

I'd expect them to want you to do at least some training with them before letting you do the test on their bike, who knows, see what they have to say about it.
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
The school sounds shit. I only had four hours of tuition before doing both parts of my test but we still did at least 10
emergency stops in the car park where we learned the drills for mod 1. Find another school and stop putting money
in their till.
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 15 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
grr666 wrote:
The school sounds shit. I only had four hours of tuition before doing both parts of my test but we still did at least 10
emergency stops in the car park where we learned the drills for mod 1. Find another school and stop putting money
in their till.



He has been good until I failed then became a mardy arse.

I’ve spoken to another school and they are happy for me to do my two tests with them and have a couple lessons just means I’ll be paying more money out and losing what I have paid to my current instructor.
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 16 Apr 2023    Post subject: Mod 1 retake. Reply with quote
No abs? How old are the bikes? No lock up on mod 1, no fail. Pass rate great, students happy as fuck.

Go elsewhere and accept the loss!


We've had a few pupils come to us for similar reasons.
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PostPosted: 16:59 - 16 Apr 2023    Post subject: Re: Mod 1 retake. Reply with quote
Kentol750 wrote:
No abs? How old are the bikes? No lock up on mod 1, no fail. Pass rate great, students happy as fuck.

Go elsewhere and accept the loss!


We've had a few pupils come to us for similar reasons.


i did wonder, even newer 125's should mostly be brake discs all round now?

i failed locking a back brake up, but this was on a rear drum CG from 1992
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 17 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ste wrote:
Contact other training schools locally to see what they have to say.

I'd expect them to want you to do at least some training with them before letting you do the test on their bike, who knows, see what they have to say about it.


This.

A school will require you to do a little training session with them before allowing you on their bike. I wont take the word of a student without seeing them ride first.

As for the Estop. I tell my students to just rest their foot on the back brake without adding pressure. The examiner is looking for effective use of both brakes, as your weight goes forward under braking you will activate the rear brake enough to show it being used without adding too much.

You can also let the bike stall by leaving the clutch alone, it is not a rider fault if you stall on the Estop.
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 17 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:
As for the Estop. I tell my students to just rest their foot on the back brake without adding pressure. The examiner is looking for effective use of both brakes, as your weight goes forward under braking you will activate the rear brake enough to show it being used without adding too much.


This is what I was told for my test, and what I did. Depress the lever a little but don't actually use it.
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PostPosted: 22:29 - 17 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:
You can also let the bike stall by leaving the clutch alone, it is not a rider fault if you stall on the Estop.


Really? Genuinely curious if you'd not get a fault at all? I guess its a minor enough point when the idea is to stop Laughing
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PostPosted: 06:51 - 18 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Really? Genuinely curious if you'd not get a fault at all? I guess its a minor enough point when the idea is to stop Laughing


The examiners are looking for a stop. If the bike stalls at any other time a fault can be recorded but not during the Estop element.
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PostPosted: 11:07 - 18 Apr 2023    Post subject: Reply with quote
pinkyfloyd wrote:

The examiners are looking for a stop. If the bike stalls at any other time a fault can be recorded but not during the Estop element.


I'm sure the same applies in a car. Stopping quickly and on cue in a safe distance is what they are looking for.
If you do stall then correct restarting of the car, observational procedures and moving away safely again will
be enough for the stall to not count against you.
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pinkyfloyd wrote:
P. wrote:


Really? Genuinely curious if you'd not get a fault at all? I guess its a minor enough point when the idea is to stop Laughing


The examiners are looking for a stop. If the bike stalls at any other time a fault can be recorded but not during the Estop element.


This is interesting for me because I remember when I was being prepared for MOD 1 that I was told stalling would be a fault for losing control of the bike.
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Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:


This is interesting for me because I remember when I was being prepared for MOD 1 that I was told stalling would be a fault for losing control of the bike.


On any other element it can be a fault. But for the Estop they want the stop more than the engine to remain running.
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pinkyfloyd wrote:
P. wrote:


Really? Genuinely curious if you'd not get a fault at all? I guess its a minor enough point when the idea is to stop Laughing


The examiners are looking for a stop. If the bike stalls at any other time a fault can be recorded but not during the Estop element.


I remember being a bit surprised when doing my mod1 training when I was told to do this; the instructor simply said "it's all about stopping and quickly and safely as possible; don't worry about anything else". It felt very wrong to deliberately stall out the bike (and I think I actually dipped the clutch at the last minute on the actual test) but hey, we're back to the "realities" of the mod1 test. Wink
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The examiner asked me yesterday if I am encouraging the student to stop on the Estop. I told him yes. Said it was not a fault and it's better than the student grabbing a handful of clutch and locking the back wheel up.
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When I was doing my test training over 30 years ago the instructor told me off for going down the gears whilst doing the emergency brake maneuver.
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