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Okay, let's reframe the question...
If 200,000+ people died of Covid what was the group mostly affected? The majority would be in the 70+ age range, according to the statistics. Sadly these would be people not in the best of health anyway so if one were to be cold about it Covid maybe moved their final day forward a little bit but nothing significant.
I would have thought, and any statisticians can correct me here, that losing the aforementioned group earlier might lead to a considerable downturn in excess deaths maybe even a dearth? Of course we have to take into consideration that a lot of NHS appointments got missed, loads of operations cancelled, undiagnosed cancers, etc. and I think we can say a good chunk of the absolute numbers might be accounted for looking at age 50+ (where diabetes, cancer, heart disease start to make an appearance) but the percentages don't look great for 25 ~ 49. This is a group that traditionally only turns up in hospital after a really decent Saturday night
I'm going from these figures:
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiYmUwNmFhMjYtNGZhYS00NDk2LWFlMTAtOTg0OGNhNmFiNGM0IiwidCI6ImVlNGUxNDk5LTRhMzUtNGIyZS1hZDQ3LTVmM2NmOWRlODY2NiIsImMiOjh9
Looking at the 75+ age groups the excess deaths are pretty flat outside the initial two spikes of Covid and you can definitely see the dips I mentioned for 65+ but not so much for 25~65. (Under 25 deaths are so few in number you can just write it off as noise.)
A question therefore arises as to what's going on?
As an aside I find it interesting the almost religious nature of the responses rather than a simple "no, I've not heard of such a line of research" and the only person to suggest "look at the NHS backlogs" is the so-called conspiracy theorist ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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I think he means he would like to find a procedure that would allow a person to rapidly undo whatever it was that the covid vaccine did to the body.
Surprisingly dumb take though.
@EasyX maybe the vaccine destroyed some brain cells? |
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Nobby the Bastard wrote: | Awaiting the youtube links from Dr. John Campbell, the famous virologist that actually has a PhD in teaching techniques and not actually medicine. |
For a second I thought you meant Prof John Bell.. one of the only people worth listening to during the pandemic.. I realise now you did not and that the Campbell fellow is a charlatan and a bounder. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
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Nope, you're still going to have to enlighten me as to what damage the vaccine has done?
It's stimulated an immune response, as thousands of things do as part of the normally functioning immune system on a daily basis. Is that what we're talking about here? Removing a specific antibody line?
Aside for why you'd want to in this situation, that's beyond the reach of current medical science. It would be good if we could, then we'd be able to treat actual immune mediated diseases like rheumatoid arthritis and lupus without having to knock out the rest of the immune system along with it. One of the main things that would make that very, very difficult is that each persons immune response will be different, while they bind to the same protein, the specific protein sequence of the antibody they produce will be unique.
Off the top of my head, you'd probably have to manufacture a modified spike protein that binds to the antibody receptor site but doesn't activate it with some mechanism attached to destroy the cells it binds to. Like a radioisotope or a cytotoxin of some sort. Then you have the fun game that the body will start making new antibodies to that protein too. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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stinkwheel wrote: | Nope, you're still going to have to enlighten me as to what damage the vaccine has done? |
From the ONS stats, adjusting for "old people things" (Dementia is the big one, a grim fate for the majority of us) the upticks in order are as follows:
Symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions
Ischaemic heart disease
Heart failure and complications and ill-defined heart disease
Chronic lower respiratory diseases
Nonrheumatic valve disorders
Malignant neoplasm of colon sigmoid rectum and anus
Cirrhosis and other diseases of the liver
Diabetes
Septicaemia
Cardiac arrhythmias
Such colourful terms! "Symptoms, signs and ill-defined conditions?" I'd be curious as to what that covers but half the rest are easy fodder for foil fedora fiddlers and "this is why football players are dropping dead!"
Anyhoo, there's no direct correlation between anything in the above list and the mRNA vaccine only that it can be interesting to see what people won't talk about*. BTW these are deaths so umm... ultimately final figures. Feel free to speculate on how many people have had a sudden long-term downturn in health.
What's happened in the last few years? Covid, the vaccines, stress on the NHS... cost of living? It would seem weighing up only some of these is permissible
*Owen Jones did do a bit in the Guardian a while back but for the sake of public decency I shan't link to it ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Wow - the asylum let its residents have internet access.
It's a quantum leap from not wanting the vaccines for whatever personal reason to stating the vaccines kill people.
Complicated things people and i don't for one second think that any of us ( with the exception of Stinkers as he's at least got proper medical training) know enough to hold a valid debate on the subject.
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MarJay wrote: | The thing is, we can discuss all you like, and if you want I'll send you a long PM on how the vaccines actually work, and why 'vaccine injury' is extremely rare and mostly not an actual thing. |
May I ask how long mRNA vaccines have been deployed against a large scale population in the past, i.e. prior to Covid? And why would you feel the need to keep the discussion private, we're all friends here. If the terminology is too difficult people don't actually have to read the posts they can carry on crocheting their cranial Faraday Cages
Quote: | But you won't listen, and you'll still believe your conspiracy theory. |
Huh? That's quite an assumption. How do you know what I believe?
Quote: | It's not that discussion is not allowed, it's that understanding is in short supply, and understanding involves the will to understand and using intellect to overcome cognitive biases. |
No, the general opinion is you're not allowed to discuss it because otherwise people wouldn't resort to such derogatory language. ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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