Cure for Covid vaccines?

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[UncleFester]

To me - no.

To someone who wants to infer something, no doubt
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[Robby]

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[MarJay]

There are tonnes of reasons why the level of deaths may be higher. Maybe people who were at risk stopped isolating, caught Covid and died? Maybe their health was negatively affected by the lockdown? Maybe isolation meant that some people actually survived longer than they would otherwise, and when the lockdowns lifted they then went and had their heart attacks they otherwise would have?

I suspect the issue is down to the massive change in lifestyle we were all subjected to in the last 3 years. It could be as simple as people living off of Deliveroo for the last 3 years, and not getting any excercise. There are so many more reasons why the death statistics may have changed since 2020. I mean, literally everything else has changed. Medically, culturally, psychologically, philosophically. It could be even down to suicides feasibly? I mean, we've all heard that lockdowns have hurt our mental health.

As said previously though, those excess deaths are still less than the Covid deaths at the peak of the pandemic.
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[MarJay]

Oh yeah, there is also massive evidence that catching and fighting off Covid even once negatively affects your heart. So what's to say that people who had Covid who generally had some other unknown medical conditions were not entirely responsible for the excess deaths?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Fill yah boots....

https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/conditions/myocarditis#causes
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[UncleFester]

What causes myocarditis? 
Myocarditis is most commonly caused by:

a virus, such as the flu or Covid-19, or another viral infection.
If you’re worried, you can read more about the effect of Covid-19 on the heart, including how it can cause myocarditis.

When myocarditis is caused by a virus, symptoms can start to show one or two weeks later. This is because the immune system, the body’s own natural defence system, overreacts to being infected with a virus, and causes inflammation. This inflammation can stay in the heart even after the virus has gone.

Other causes include:

bacterial infections, such as sore throat, or chest infection, or fungal infections, such as athlete’s foot
auto immune diseases (when your own immune system attacks your body), for example lupus
a reaction to harmful substances (toxins), such as carbon monoxide, or drugs such as cocaine
a reaction to certain medicines or vaccines
There have been rare cases of myocarditis following the Moderna covid vaccine (or even more rarely, the Pfizer vaccine). If you are worried, you can find out more about what covid vaccines mean for your heart.
Sometimes it isn’t possible to find the cause of myocarditis. This can be frustrating and difficult for you. There is support available to help you manage your condition and your wellbeing – find out how we can help.

Myocarditis can affect anyone, of any age, but it tends to affect more males than females, and people under 50.

Go on then. Reliably extrapolate COVID vaccination as the probably primary cause.
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[Islander]

Also, you do realise that ALL drugs come with side effects that will affect a tiny percentage of the people taking them in fairly rare cases? Have you ever read the Patient Information Leaflet that comes with every drug including common OTC stuff like Ibuprofen and Paracetamol?

What the science does is weigh up the overall beneficial effects of using the drug against the side effects and it does so using real numbers gathered from studies and patient feedback. If the risks are too high then the drug doesn't go to market. If they're significantly smaller than the benefits then it does. The MHRA won't issue a product licence number until they're satisfied and the pharmaceutical companies have to go through the whole process again for every small change and new product.

In the case of the covid vaccines, they're undoubtedly saved many lives and allowed a return to normal for the vast majority of the population. The unfortunate deaths from side effects are infinitesimally small compared to that.

When you trot out numbers of deaths from covid so blithely, you forget to factor in the numbers of people that didn't die because of the rules on social distancing, lockdowns etc. It was a serious disease that could potentially have killed many many more people than it did.

Now step away from the conspiracy theories and use your brain.

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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

‘Excess deaths’ is a new statistic prompted by the pandemic, and the methodology might be problematic.

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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

Make of it what you will. Just try to stay back from the edge.

[Nobby the Bastard]

Excess deaths aren't more deaths than births.

It means that there were more deaths than the norm.

Not sure how immigration would really make much of a difference to that.
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[doggone]

Historically, excess deaths should turn negative after a pandemic.
That they have remained positive has never happened before.
These excess deaths are not found in countries that did not deploy the mRNA vaccines.

Prof Norman Fenton, a statistician, has given a detailed breakdown as to why the ONS data distinguishing vaccinated from unvaccinated is inaccurate and is hiding the truth of the problem.
The vaccinated and unvaccinated data is not equivalent - unvaccinated population being derived from subtracting vaccinated from the total population. If the total population figure is wrong then the denominator is wrong and this has huge effect on the stats. There is clear evidence the denominator is indeed wrong as would be the case if, relating to a separate issue, the ONS are underestimating population size - (hmm wonder why they might be doing that).

The statistics regulator has agreed with him. The ONS now put a small text footnote against the data indicating there are problems with it. Of course nobody in government notices that or wants to understand why.

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[Robby]

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[UncleFester]

It's almost like you lot think the happily vaccinated need saving from some mystery killer. This thread is the most attention i've ever paid to the fact.

Much like riding a bike, did my initial risk assessment and got on with life as i suspect did everyone else. Chances of catching Covid - far higher than the chances of being allegedly potato'd by the vaccine.

Statistically, you'd be far better off getting an annual set of blood scans done to check for cancer and worrying about that. Or avoiding all processed foods etc etc.
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[Robby]