Another ULEZ money grab?

[Polarbear]

The RAC posted this, I don't suppose it counts as news nowadays, more a given.....

A council in England has announced plans to introduce higher fees for parking, based on the level of emissions from the driver’s vehicle. London’s Lambeth Council is set to introduce these emissions-based charges, and several other councils across the country are considering the plans as well.

Details in the article attached.

I can't say I'm surprised but hopefully bikes won't be included or be ignored but not knowing London I don't know how motor bike friendly Lambeth is.

But, the real reason I posted this is half way down the article...

Of more the near 3,000 responses in the consultation, 59% objected to the plans. However, Lambeth introduced the changes despite opposition.

Again, I don't know if there are any rules about adhereing to the results of a consultation but it seems utterly pointless having them if a council can just ride roughshod over the results.

Anyway, how long before my lovely old Jag is totally worthless and can't be driven anywhere without getting a surcharge because it kills kittens (allegedly).

What's the ruling on old cars that are exempt MOT's etc? Are they exempt ULEZ? I quite fancy a 2 stroke Trabant to piss off Reichsfurher Khan and co.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/owners-of-the-most-polluting-cars-be-set-to-pay-more-for-parking-in-england/
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[Skudd]

It would be better if they taxed those that used indicators.
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[stinkwheel]

Surely they should be encouraging people to park the most polluting cars. It's driving them that causes the problem.

I'm pretty sure historic vehicles are exempt from the Edinburgh emissions zone charging. Couldn't say about anywhere else.
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[MCN]

It's not the ULEZ rules that are more offensive, it's the fact that the carparking in within the zone. Which forces one to suffer the scum that are permitted to ride on public transport.
If public transport was policed more effectively, where one didn't feel like having to defend yourself against physical attack, it would work. I could manage that.
But last time I used the train into town (drinking session) there was a 'female' I think it was a ho, as drunk as a khunt, on the train into Glasgow from Edinburgh with a loud and potty mouth.
That needs to be addressed before we go green.

I can defend myself but it ain't going to look pretty on the CCTV.
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[A100man]

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so basically its a tax on the poorest motorists. those that cant afford shiny new low emission vehicles.
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[Polarbear]

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[MCN]

If right thinking is applied. We keep the bangers we are running now. And ensure they pass the current MOT emissions rules.
And when they cannot pass the current test we scrap for new/er.

It's going to cost MCN circa 18000 big ones just to pass a LEZ.

It's fuking moronic.

It always has been moronic.

We still had horses shitting in the street in the 60s.
It's not like they were all slaughtered for Chum just coz IC engines became the rage.
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[blurredman]

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[blurredman]

'92 was the introduction of Euro 1.

As a side note, I'm not saying that emissions on a car don't get worse, but legislation in regards to vehicles and testing of them generally are not retrospective.

Some manufactures changed to injection even on base models for '92 and added a CAT, others tried to get around by adding computers and CATs onto cars that were still carburettored. Generally, the latter are the ones which caused the biggest headaches. The full conversion throttle bodied cars tended to do better off
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[The Artist]

Just tax fuel. It is the best way to encourage people to not pollute unnecessarily.

I say that as someone who has spent £5k+ on fuel in the past year.

All these bullshit little bits and pieces are unfair and just screw random people rather than just focusing on the one simple and easy place to tax emissions.

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[dave001]

if i lived in london id buy a classic american V8

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[Robby]

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[Robby]

The impact is a rounding error, if you're looking at it in a logical way. If you're looking at it in absolutes, bikes are getting a loophole.

It's something where the deliveroo crowd could be useful, seeing as they generally have fairly new 125cc scooters, which are good on all kinds of emissions. It's probably improving the averages for the rest of us.

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[Polarbear]

Slightly changing the conversation as it has got onto ULEZ rather than Lambeth ulez parking.

Where my youngest daughter works, right by Richmond park, is going to get caught up in the expanded ulez this August. While I understand the arguements for and against (I still think it's a money grab) she tells me the public transport around there is pants. No tube and the bus service is poor. It seems to me a decent public transport service is a pre requisit for a ulez zone.

North of the river, ok, tube, lots of busses but south seems pretty sh1t.

Edited to add this article that popped up on my feed....

ULEZ: London mayor lacks powers to expand zone, High Court told

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66094244?fbclid=IwAR10HhdE4263ZYPvfnVWZgWkUcHXWdE3xDBfH5AlTYx65R7qdlnA-KltGUs
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[MCN]

It's the same as most things politics.
People believe they choose their political person and therefore have control over how politics affects them.

It just doesn't work like that.

Folk go along with whatever politics folk tell them to.

It's much easier to just moan about it than to actually do something about it, such as sit at one of the MPs surgeries and shout down their plans.
(Locally that has some bearing. Only if enough folk attend. )

The big stuff we have almost no control over.
Politics will bend.

The bunch of halfwits that UK governments put in position in the EU are great examples of how politics sucks.

Walking away from 50 years of heavy investment in an economy. It was fucking ludicrous.

We should have stayed in the club and complained more.

You can't change club rules by being not in the club FFS.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Loads of rail way stations though, and busses up you shizzle.
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