Forcing people to stop smoking

[Pete.]

[hellkat]

[Easy-X]

Just don't like the confusion between cigarettes and nicotine. Cigarettes contain nicotine but it's not really the nicotine everyone objects to. IMO the confusion has been deliberately foisted on the public to keep activists in a job.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Yes, yes. We all know thestink is tar and salt petre but nicotine is very addictive for very little return.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

I did smoke 30 a day for 30 years. Call it experience.
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[stinkwheel]

I agree with Nobby. Otherwise why would I still be fucking on with this vape when i haven't had a cigarette in 18 months?

The delivery system isn't the problem, it's the nicotine dependancy. It's subtle and complex. And do me the courtesy of not saying it's all in the mind. Yes it is but the mind is a pretty big thing and nicotine gets into it. Even if it isn't all that bad for you, it's something you don't need and find very hard to stop using once you start.

Probably shouldn't be conflating it with a littering problem either. The littering thing can be dealt with. The fecking things cost a fiver each and once you start using them, it's a hell of a job to stop. Shouldn't we be taking all possible steps to prevent people starting? And yes, I would extend a rolling n+1 minimum age to vapes as well as fags.

Regatding the littering issue, the government could half the littering problem overnight by allowing them to put 4ml of liquid in them instead of 2ml, or quarter it by allowing them to put 8ml in. The battery is good for it.

I probably have enough lithium cells saved in old vapes (waiting to take them to the recycling) to power an electric motorbike.
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[Easy-X]

It's an oversimplification to say it's all down to nicotine addiction alone. Why did kids in the past start smoking at 14 or whatever? Certainly not for the taste! Peer-pressure is a big factor for that age. Added to that there's all the jazzy flavours we didn't have as kids (you can have old tarmac or you can have menthol old tarmac.) So it's a multifactor problem.

We could do some research as to the relative weight of each factor in creating the problem and then deal with it in a focused and efficient manner. We could even go as far as enforcing existing laws. "Fuck it, much easier to ban it all. That way everyone gets to suffer."

As to "it's something you don't need" you can say that about anything: cannabis, alcohol, red meat, fast cars, rock climbing... People choose to do dangerous things sometimes therefore we must remove choice
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[stinkwheel]

[Easy-X]

Once you go down the route of moving the age limit outside of the usual over-16, -18, -21 - "the youth" - then pretty much everyone has to produce an ID if they wish to buy nicotine products. We have laws at the moment that don't get enforced, how is making more laws to intrude on people's lives going to fix anything?

We may be picking on nicotine at the moment but I have a general dislike for sledgehammer approaches to topics clouded with activism and vested interests.

"That went well! Now no one smokes!!! Hmm... shame we can't apply the same methodology to things people aren't so dependant on." (said no politician ever.)
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[stinkwheel]

[superstacker]

I wonder when it will get to the point that it isn't worthwhile being a store that sells tobacco products?

Seeing as they can't display them, the packaging is all the same now, less people are smoking all the time and now the additional rolling ID checks being planned and the headache that will bring down the road...

[Polarbear]

[Diggs]

I started smoking during a period of being single in my 20s. I used to come home from work, roll a single skinner using tobacco and fall asleep to music with my headphones on. From that I developed a tobacco habit which lasted 30 years. I did the vape thing for a couple of years and weaned myself off that by mixing my own juice until the nicotine content became negligible and it acted only as a dummy.

Personally I think anything that makes it harder for people to start using nicotine has to be good. Never mind the health aspect, I could have bought a decent house with the money I spent on baccy.

I think that as with alcohol, caffein and sugar, keeping a population hooked enables the Government to maintain control of our spending habits and maintains the fiscal differential between plebs and those with more disposable income...
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[Easy-X]

Also while I'm on my soap box (forgive me, I desperately need the height advantage) one should also be suspicious of laws that affect poor people but not rich elites...

Fags: plain packaging, heavily taxed, can't smoke inside most places.

Cigars: still sold in fancy wooden boxes, taxes irrelevant (compared to the income of the purchaser) and can smoke inside the shop selling them
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[stinkwheel]

[Easy-X]

I would say that women don't get hooked on things in quite the same way as men. Physiological or environmental? Probably a bit of both but apart from the ultra-hardcore smokers women quite often give up fags during pregnancy. For men the crunch point is "you have lung cancer" which happens much later in life.

Highlights of the differences in attitudes/usage of drugs between the sexes:

https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/substance-use-in-women/sex-gender-differences-in-substance-use

The interesting thing is male/female rates have equalised in recent years. "That'll be equality for you! Feminists with lung cancer, hahaha!" Not really. Rates of smoking in men have gone down to meet female rates.

Anecdotally I see more women vs men smoking socially on a night out and not smoking much at other times. My wife's a case in point: would smoke 2 or 3 menthols on a Saturday night but nothing during the week. Annoying
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[struan80]

To be fair the most social place at work is where the smokers gather. So it's good for mental health.

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[Polarbear]

So the instigators have uninstigated.....

New Zealand Scraps the World’s First Generational Smoking Ban.

https://time.com/6339910/new-zealand-scraps-generational-smoking-ban/?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-gb
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[Easy-X]

That's more about a systematic dismantling of all the stupidity Jacinda Ardern brought about.
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[Polarbear]

[Hetzer]

One of my Kiwi mates was here on a visit and told me a pack of 20 over there now costs $60 (Kiwi dollars, around two to the quid). That's tyranny, folks, an absolute abuse of whatever 'democratic mandate' the current scumbags in power were given.

Ditto the UK, though to a lesser extreme.

Meanwhile, here in Jappo-land, a pack of import-brand fags is around £2.40.
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