Why go green,electric and low emmisions?

[Ste]

"Greta Thunberg has been charged with a public order offence after her arrest during a Fossil Free London protest.

The 20-year-old is accused of breaching a Section 14 order that police put in place outside the InterContinental Hotel on Park Lane, where oil executives were meeting on Tuesday.

The climate change activist was among protesters who gathered to object to an Energy Intelligence Forum event.

In total, 27 protesters were arrested and 26 charged, the Met Police said.

Ms Thunberg, a Swedish national, has been released on bail with a trial set for 15 November."



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67143600

I hope lots of her crusty followers turn up to the court date, disrupt things and end up getting themselves in trouble.

[bhinso]

Yes further investigation shows an almost George Osborne level of smugness on her face.

Let's go net zero and act surprised when the planet burns up anyway because of the sh1t China, India etc. will continue to pump out. Latin America too will grow rapidly, and probably Africa now that China has taken over it.

The major contribution the UK can give is in research into clean fuels such as fusion (always 30 years away)

[Easy-X]

It's nothing to do with saving the planet and everything to do with gaining power.

I've said it before: if the West gives up on fossil fuels entirely instead of continuing the incremental increases in efficiency and better emissions none of said research will filter through to the poorer countries.

For example, I doubt Argentina is a hotbed of research into exhaust emissions, they just get what they're given by Peugeot. Post-2030 (if not sooner) Peugeot will stop researching ICE car design and move onto just EVs. The car tech in Argentina will be trapped in amber.
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[Polarbear]

Bloody Swedes.

Stockholm – the capital of Sweden – is set to ban petrol and diesel cars entering its city centre to reduce pollution and cut emissions. The new regulations will come into force on December 31st 2024 – meaning that drivers have 14 months to prepare for the switch.

Herr Khan will be devastated that someone has gone further than him but he can console himself with the funds from the poor that allow diesel cars to be emission free I suppose.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/air-quality/major-european-city-confirms-petrol-and-diesel-car-ban/
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[Easy-X]

For a teenager living in a European city what's the greater threat: vehicle emissions or knife crime?
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[Nobby the Bastard]

I don't know about most of Europe but in my neck of the woods knife crime is whitey and is fueled by NO2. The same thing that the ULEZ is set up against...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-67137453
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[Ste]

Got a description of the kid who did the stabbing?

[Easy-X]

[Nobby the Bastard]

By the looks of this, knife boy is white.

https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/news/2023/10/teenager-convicted-of-murdering-much-loved-ben-moncrieff/
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[Ste]

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Polarbear]

Put here because I can't be arsed to find somewhere else....

Electric cars: Lords urge action on 'misinformation' in press

Now if you read the article the 'misinformation' talked about is range, charger availability and spontaneous combustion.

Taking them one at a time....
Range - I don't think I've ever read an article where the actual range of an EV ever comes close to what the manufacturers quote so which side is that misinformation on. They say an ICE vehicle is the same as in they don't come close to manufacturers figures but when you have a range of 500+ miles a bit of range degredation doesn't really hurt.
Charger availability - I don't know as I've never had to use them but there are enough comments on social media to say that where there are chargers many don't work. It seems to an outsider like me it's just Tesla that have actually got anything right and I don't know if thats valid in the UK or just the USA.
Fire - I very much doubt there are more electric car fires than petrol/diesel as stated but when they burn, they really do burn. Also on the misinformation side, the Luton car park fire was immediatly said by the fire service to be a diesel car. However it turned out to be a diesel hybrid which is slighty different and 'experts' say the CCTV of it on fire is the battery burning rather than the fuel tank.

Electric cars are coming but I think it's going to be by legislation not choice. I know they are banning ICE from 2035 but they want people buying EV's before that so whats the answer - more tax on ICE vehicles.

From the article - But Melanie Shufflebotham, co-founder of ZapMap, a UK EV mapping service, told the BBC that bringing in new taxes for EVs was too early as consumer confidence was still growing. She offered an alternative solution: "We need to up the taxes on the heavy polluting petrol and diesel cars. It is the heavy vehicles that cause the most damage."

So nothing really new in the article. Nothing about living in blocks of flats or not having driveways to charge your EV which I would think is one of the absolute killers when deciding to go EV or ICE. In fact, nothing new at all so move on chaps

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-68130432
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[DaddyStu]

A work colleague has a new electric car. He had to go to the airport after work to pick up his wife. He took his electric car home at lunch time to pick up his petrol BMW. Told me cold temperatures near halve the stated range on the leccy one - wasn't confident he could make it.

Not seeing any upside to these things.
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[DaddyStu]

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[MCN]

We hired a car for our trip around netherlands and Germany last month.
I'd booked a C-class merc but they gave us some other fuking thing. Link & Co. I had to google who the fuk Link & Co is.
Anyway I found out (from the Google search) that it was a hybrid. Petrol..
It was OK.
We never used the plug to charge it but the engine and brakes charge the batteries.
The battery was used in town driving until you had to give it what's for. Then the engine started.
The transition from battery to engine is very noticeable and sort of annoying.
It was a 4x4 with lots of toys on-board but it is not the sort of carriage we would ever buy.
The AI voice is some effeminate male/female/they/them which has a very ghey condescending tone. It was deactivated swiftly.
It didn't catch on fire. Which is a positive, pardon the pun.
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[MCN]

In addition, most road vehicles fail to meet any minimal need to carry an 'effective' fire extinguisher.
The little aerosols that hold a tiny amount of something are useless and pose serious risk to anyone foolish enough to attempt using one.
Fire people suggest at least 0.5kg dry powder or equivalent foam. And then maintain it.

100000 vehicle fires in UK each year 300 per day. 100 people killed.

Lithium fires do not respond to normal fire fighting stuff.

An argument is in progress about what is best.
Consumers left high and dry.

But a mix of liquid with vermiculite is one type for a metal fire.
Metal fires produce their own oxygen so normal fire fighting doesn't work as effectively.
The rule is: Fire needs three things to exist.

Fuel
Heat
Oxygen. (From the atmosphere)
Remove one ingredient and the fire stops. If a fire has fuel, heat and can produce its own oxygen yer fuked using water or powder or foam CO2 and cetera.

How many will need to die in an electrical fire before changes are made.

Gaza is leading the world. They use horses and donkeys.
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[Feasty]

I just don't get why they didn't and don't make cars with removable batteries - surely this would be a far simpler answer to the time it takes to charge, access from a blocks of flats etc, etc.
Battery running low, drive into the nearest garage/stockist park up and an automated machine will remove your empty battery and replace it with a full one. 5min job and you're on your way.

Build these terminals all over the country like petrol stations so they maintain a constant supply of batteries and make the price of this a regular payment but cheaper than filling up with fuel.

We've got the ability and tech to do this, I guess the let-down as usual is capitalism. Companies won't come together and decide on a single type of battery to fit the vast majority of cars, there's just no thinking of the bigger picture and planning for a future - just lets see how quickly we can get our car on the road and take peoples money for it...
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[Raffles]

Apparently, Mr Bean is to blame for the low uptake of the white elephants:-

Rowan Atkinson points out some of the downsides of electric vehicle ownership....
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[rpsmith79]

Battery swapping has been looked into, a couple of car firms did some real-world swapping stations, but we are too far down the rabbit hole now with each manufacturer doing their own thing, and the fact the batteries are all different sizes/shapes/ratings

I'm sure i read last year that the main Japanese Motorcycle manufaturers had made some sort of agreement to standardise some EV compoents

Oh yeah, here it is:

https://www.bestmag.co.uk/japanese-oems-agree-standard-share-electric-motorcycle-batteries-between-brands/

There are mopeds/scoots with swappable batteries, with battery swapping stations, mosty in the Far East though

https://futuretransport-news.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/04/3obuthzogoqeol0a2616r624o6xa.jpeg
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[rpsmith79]

There is also a very low uptake of privately owned BEV's

I did some digging earlier after a discussion with some collegues, and it turns out that last year, only 25% of EV car sales were to private buyers, with the remaining 75% to Fleet & Small Businesses

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-12484029/Only-quarter-electric-car-sales-year-private-buyers.html

And EV car sales only accounted for around 16% of total cars sales in 2023

Just goes to show that Joe Public still ain't conviced EV's are the way forward
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