Should the UK deport all Hamas supporters?

[Val]

I have seen lately obscene scenes from the UK with Hamas supporters chanting in London.

Sweden and Germany will deport all Hamas supporters.

https://www.turkiyenewspaper.com/politics/16823

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-interior-minister-calls-deportation-hamas-supporters-2023-10-20/
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[Raffles]

We can't even deport rapists and murderers. How the fcuk are we gonna deport all those terrorist sympathisers?.....There's millions of 'em.
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[stinkwheel]

They have already said they are going to revoke the visas of anyone who acted illegally. Letters were sent out on Monday.

I don't think supporting Hamas is in itself illegal. Inciting violence or being a member of Hamas is.

A summary of the interview with the minister I listened to was that they aren't going to revoke your visa for attending a protest and waving a Palestinian flag. They are if you were waving a Palestinian flag while frothing at the mouth and screaming for Jihad.

So revoked visas for actual crime, not thought crime.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

“(Sweden) may deport Hamas supporters,”

“If we (Germany) are able to deport Hamas supporters, we must,”

Not gonna happen.

How would you answer your own question, Val?

[stinkwheel]

That pesky ECHR is going to come into play. Doesn't matter what the Swedish or German government think, it's not their decision.
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[Nobby the Bastard]

Hamas supporters or people who just don't want palestinians killed because of Hamas and israeli actions? If it's the latter, most of Celtics supporters are going to get letters.

I'll point out that there hasn't been an election in Gaza since 2006 when Hamas last retained power so it's hardly a democratic state and Hamas can't really say they actually have popular support of the current electorate.
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[Bhud]

No - this is a European problem where people watch TV or view clips on social media showing riots, and form views based on what the box shows rather than on statistics.

There is no data on how many Hamas supporters there are in the UK. It's a crime to support Hamas in the UK. Doubtless, there will be some criminals who support Hamas. However, there are many proscribed organisations in the UK, whose support is outlawed, and which nevertheless have supporters and even members.

The penalty of deportation pales in significance compared with the maximum sentence applicable in the case of someone guilty of supporting a proscribed organisation (which is 14 years' imprisonment and/or a fine).

What complicates this issue somewhat is that support for Hamas is easily conflated with support for the Palestinian cause. For example, someone might attend a rally and lawfully protest about something, while in their immediate vicinity someone is openly, and criminally, supporting Hamas.

I'm not going to pretend everything is OK here, because it isn't. This is becoming a fractured society and I expect serious civil unrest and public order problems. However, deportation is not a solution to this for various reasons, including:

1) Interpretation of what might constitute Hamas support (e.g. presence in a place, being among a group one of which supports Hamas)
2) Implementation of deportation in the case of British citizen Hamas supporters (e.g. even members of Parliament) - where do you deport them and would this increase disorder and support for Hamas
3) Secret projects involving UK intel or counter-intel, foreign nationals with diplomatic immunity, crisis actors, etc.
4) People with transitory views and opinions, isolated people, mentally ill, etc.

I don't have a solution but I think it's important to bear in mind that the UK population as a whole does not unreservedly support Israel. Far from it - the Palestinians have a lot of ground support. I'm not talking about immigrants or Muslims - just people with a different opinion or whose opinion may change, etc. My pov is that the UK population has been mined for support by news organisations and lobby groups, and that's the real source of the harm (being caused to the UK) by this issue in the news. The PM spent about 3 weeks going around the world talking about this issue. It was easy to forget which country he is supposed to represent, because he wasn't here and he wasn't talking about here. He was magnifying a conflict happening 2200 miles away, for reasons that are never fully disclosed. The UK pop has to then wade through conspiracy theory and other sources of info and ends up in a place that doesn't do the UK any good at all. You have to bear in mind as well that urban population centres here can have just 2 cops per tens of thousands of disaffected people. The practicalities of this make enforcement a less desirable choice, by whatever means.

It's not under control and yes there's a serious problem. The best we can hope for is that it blows over with no more foreign inteference.

[Easy-X]

Summary expulsion of non-British citizens found supporting Hamas would be enough for most people. It might only amount to a few hundred people but the messaging would be definitive.
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[MCN]

Punch them in the tits and do them up the garry, before deportation.
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[Ribenapigeon]

What if you believe the Israeli response to the Hamas violence is beyond what is reasonable and proportionate, then do you think supporters of Israel should be flung out of the country?

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[Ribenapigeon]

[Nobby the Bastard]

What Hamas did to Israeli civilians is horrific and cannot be justified by anyone.

By the same token, the Israeli persecution of Palestinians is equally horrific, has been going on for fucking years, and cannot be justified.
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[Ribenapigeon]

The whole area is a history of one massacre followed by retaliation.

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[Ribenapigeon]

I just don't see why it's so difficult to say to Netenyahu "your a f#ckwhit and your doing it all wrong and if you cant get that through your thick skull then your country is f#cked" but ya know in more diplomatic terms.

[Ribenapigeon]

I noticed Bitcoin is up, I wonder if Netenhayu holds?

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