New EU federation state do you support it?

[Val]

The changes currently under consideration would transform the EU from a confederation of sovereign countries into a unitary federal entity, with its central government presiding over partially self-governing nation states.

In Europe, the treaty revision process is already underway with fundamental changes in 10 key areas, including EU foreign, security and defense policy. And as a concrete step toward such changes, a Committee on Constitutional Affairs report, which will form the European Parliament’s inputat a treaty revision convention, was recently approved

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/sv/press-room/20231023IPR08163/eu-treaties-reform-meps-submit-proposals-to-strengthen-eu-capacity-to-act
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[Easy-X]

Wow... looks like we got out just in time
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[stinkwheel]

You wonder why Brexit. THIS is excactly why.

While members, the UK would have vetoed the shit out of it but there were and are moves afoot to seriously limit veto powers of member states and there's only so long you can hold stuff like this back. Got out while we still could.

Plus, if other member state MEPs are anything like the calliber of the UK ones, they shouldn't really be left in charge of anything, let alone running a continent-sized federal state. Being an MEP for the UK was a shit-tier political appointment populated by ineffective handwringers and people of outlying political persuasions who couldn't hack it in an actual job of politics. Turnout for elections was low as there was no appetite for turning out to dignify the list of halfwits, ideallists and misfits with something that looked like a mandate. European council appointments were either a way of getting rid of troublemakers or outright cronyism.

Best of luck to them. Enjoy life in the circus clown version of the 4th Reich.
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[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[DaddyStu]

Gives us a big German-led rival on our doorstep. No doubt they'll start building up a euro-army then too.

As long as they keep visa free travel though I wont be too concerned
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[A100man]

The whittling, bleeding-heart, Guardian-reading remainers have little idea of what they are really missing...
..which is really fuck-nothing.
Everyone still gets holidays for cheap in the med and roam like home their phone. .
..they may wank on about how the kids can no longer join 'Erasmus' but the uptake in the Uk was neglible anyway. You can even get residency easily enough if you wnat to spend more than 180 days/year in your second EU home.. Today I hear we have rejoined Horizon european research programs cheme (not that we actaully left) but frankly I'm sceptical about that, and think we could have spen the money better ourselves .This year our tapered residual contribution to EU budget drops from 12bn to 2bn ( I think) so now we also get some financial reward for the break.

Some small businesses trading with EU will have unfortunately been disadvantaged since, as a trading co-op, the EEC was a decent idea but the gravy train merchants like Martin Shultz, van Rompey, Delors etc.. pushed it too far. For now, for 99% of folk - I still think we're better off out..

While we're at it - Brexit was what won the Tories the last election. Nothing else. Now its done and Labour have vowed not to meddle they will be a shoe-in and probably rightly so.
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[Polarbear]

EEC was good. EU wasn't.

It might have worked with the original members only but the Eastern European nations are in the EU from what they can get out of it, not from what they can contribute.
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[Easy-X]

[Val]

[A100man]

The large western EU countries Germany, Netherlands, Italy, Spain (France not so much) have consistently underpaid their required contribution to Nato/Armed forces which I thnk is 2% GDP.. Now the nasty man has appeared at the door -panic.

Typical EU thinking, even though we're not contributing enough to Nato we'll focus on an alternative with all the additonal bureaucratic overhead that that requires.
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[Val]

[stinkwheel]

They will blow most of their budget on designing the uniform. It will take five years of discussion and the issuing of three sub-comittees to standardise the design of the great big hat, one for the material construction, one for the optiomal peak andgle and one to decide the source of gold braid and feathers. Then Italy will pull-out because they want more gold braid than everyone else.
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I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[Polarbear]

[Kickstart]

Just think we will be subject to this when we rejoin (which we inevitably will, just a case of when). But being out now we have no input on it.
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[MCN]

[MCN]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[Nute]

[Val]

[RhynoCZ]

In order to have a federation, you would first need a constitution. The last time someone tried to push that in the EU was in 2004 and the attempt failed, quite presumably. Now, why would it be any different this time around? Especially in the time when the political cycle in many countries is now in the phase of change from the left to the right.

Mind you, 2004 was also a completely different time. Everything seemed hopeful and people in general had a positive approach to building the union. It was also before the Greece issue and many other such inconveniences.
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[DaddyStu]

[Val]

[Nobby the Bastard]

If Russian troops march on prague that's a job for NATO, which is a lot more than just Europe and the US, and not a Euro army. If there were an EU army it would be under NATO command during any Russian invasion.
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[RhynoCZ]

[Ste]