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Posted: 18:32 - 29 Feb 2024 Post subject: tldr - this was perhaps an unwise decision |
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https://imgur.com/a/DOcbeXP
This is definitely an intro thread. The last bike I had was a Bantam, so long ago that I can't recall how I bought it. I sold it in the early 70s. I'm in England, by the way.
I'm not going to ride the one in the picture. It's a 125cc from 2009. I doubt anyone will. It was stood in a field for a couple of years. My 12 year old said he'd like to do up a bike a few weeks back. Well, its educational. I got the bike. It has rust. I added some Evapo-rust, WD-40, wire brushes and an adjustable spanner. I decided to join a biker forum to get help. Then I got him a respirator and eye protection, WD-40 is vicious stuff. He can have half the garage. And a second-hand Haynes manual, I got that too off abebooks.
What I really need is to get the bike a foot off the ground so he and I can sit on camping chairs and consider it. My days of kneeling are long past. YouTube has a succession of DIY roll-on lifts, This bike weighs 120kg. If anyone chips in a thought at this point it would be welcome. I'm not paying £600 for one of those red narrow metal platforms though.
If this takes as long as I expect, I'll throw more photos in at stages. If I just disappear it will have been a bad idea to begin with. |
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Stools are good. You can remove the tank, seat and other bits and pieces. Then sit on a stool, remove the exhaust and footpegs and levers, loosen axle bolt, remove sprocket, disconnect clutch and control cables, disconnect electrical connectors, and loosen engine mounting bolts. Walk it over to the grass, get the kid to hold it upright, remove the engine and put it on a stand. Now you've got a light rolling chassis with a few bits and pieces attached. Heavier than a pushbike but still something you can lift up and plonk down on an elevated platform.
I use something like this as a stand (it's my only stand). Don't know why they've painted the lower half black, but mine is otherwise identical:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/381019439461
It can go up one foot but it's precarious - you have to balance it right, and push up on the engine, and you may have to use blocks of wood and towels to avoid damage to the engine case. I wouldn't put any bike one foot up in the air with this, even though I have experience of using this stand. You will need to raise it a bit, add a few blocks of wood underneath, raise it a bit more, add blocks behind it, etc. Precarious. This type of stand is mostly good for enduro bikes.
My suggestion: as it's a 125 - a small, light bike - you can lift the engine out by expedient means and a bit of forethought, and this will make the rest of the bike much lighter. |
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WD40 is probably one of the safest things you can give a child to play with of that sort. Water is fatal if inhaled, or ingested in great quantity after all.
Goggles and gloves are a great idea, forget the mask until spraying time. The adjustable spanner will do more harm than good, buy a set of budget combination spanners, small metric socket set (3/8" drive at least) a 1lb hammer, screwdriver set, decent pliers standard and long nose, circlip pliers, allen key set and a tool box. Get some rags and some parts trays. Teach him how to work methodically, there's no use learning to make a huge mess which will still be there in 10 years he needs to learn how to approach a task or he'll just strip it down and forget it. ____________________ a.k.a 'Geri'
132.9mph off and walked away. Gear is good, gear is good, gear is very very good |
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Bhud wrote: | Stools are good. You can remove the tank, seat and other bits and pieces. Then sit on a stool, remove the exhaust and footpegs and levers, loosen axle bolt, remove sprocket, disconnect clutch and control cables, disconnect electrical connectors, and loosen engine mounting bolts. Walk it over to the grass, get the kid to hold it upright, remove the engine and put it on a stand. Now you've got a light rolling chassis with a few bits and pieces attached. Heavier than a pushbike but still something you can lift up and plonk down on an elevated platform.
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That all helps, I'm grateful. He's preparing his workspace over the weekend, having this image in his mind will focus what he's doing. As for the choice of stand, there's beams - if he uses an adequate fallback strap to catch any calamitous misjudgement I'm sure he could trust the box lift you pointed to. |
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Pete. wrote: | Goggles and gloves are a great idea, forget the mask until spraying time. The adjustable spanner will do more harm than good, buy a set of budget combination spanners, small metric socket set (3/8" drive at least) a 1lb hammer, screwdriver set, decent pliers standard and long nose, circlip pliers, allen key set and a tool box. Get some rags and some parts trays. Teach him how to work methodically, there's no use learning to make a huge mess which will still be there in 10 years he needs to learn how to approach a task or he'll just strip it down and forget it. |
I'll look out for the 3/8" sockets. With a ratchet handle, I think. He had a toolbox for Christmas years back to keep his Lego parts from living on the floor, he's repurposing that. One of those red and black things with five drawers and a cupboard underneath and then castors. He already collects plastic trays. Don't oily rags self-combust or leave marks on other washing? |
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Cool. Sounds like you're both going into it with the right expectations
Beware though, once you get going all sorts of daft thoughts will enter your head like "I saw a video on how to build your own blasting cabinet" and "let's buy the lad a MIG welder for Christmas" ____________________ Husqvarna Vitpilen 401, Yamaha XSR700, Honda Rebel, Yamaha DT175, Suzuki SV650 (loan) Fazer 600, Keeway Superlight 125, 50cc turd scooter |
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Are you dangerous if we get you in our mouths? ____________________ trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
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Oh Nobby.. ____________________ Now: A100, GT250A, XJ598, FZ750
Then: Fizz, RS200, KL250, XJ550, Laverda Alpina, XJ600, FZS600 |
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I feel a nylon hammer would be a useful tool for dealing with this particular bike. Also a nut splitter, junior hacksaw and some good HSS drills.
Automatic transmission fluid mixed 50:50 with acetone makes an excellent penetrating oil but you need to keep it away from rubber and plastic parts because the acetone doesn't play well with them. If this is a concern, substituting paraffin for the acetone also works well, not quite as good at creeping into gaps but doesn't turn plastics into Dahli paintings. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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You are suggesting acetone when he's shit scared of wd40 and oily rags?
____________________ trevor saxe-coburg-gotha:"Remember this simple rule - scooters are for men who like to feel the breeze on their huge, flapping cunt lips."
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