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Gow87
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have no idea.. but im sure that traffic lights , amber means caution or summut like that
so hell why not pull away? aslong as ur cautious lol
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quick answers:

1) No.
2) Yes, providing you don't cross a solid white line or pass the last vehicle before the crossing if there are zig-zag markings.
3) Depends who you ask. Some will say only if the traffic is stationary, others will say never. This includes coppers. You definatley can on a one way street.
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PostPosted: 23:11 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Re: Quick questions. Reply with quote

Kryptix wrote:
I'd be greatful if you could answer these:

1) Can you pull away on normal traphic lights as soon as they go orange?
2) Can you LEGALLY go down the centre of the 2 lanes and go to the front when stopping at traphic lights?
3) Can you go down the left side of a car if it's stopped at traphic lights or does it have to be the centre? When I say left, I mean the outside....

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1) Technically no, as they're not green yet, but I ignore that fact Very Happy

2) Perfectly legal, so long as you're sensible, or you can get done for dangerous driving and/or driving without due care and attention - see this thread.

3) Not too sure - undertaking is legal, so I think this is ok as I do occasionally when turning left and there's stationary traffic. Can anyone clarify this??? Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of these are illegal, given the right circumstances.

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1) Can you pull away on normal traphic lights as soon as they go orange?


The Orange light is a warning that the lights are changing. It is not the 'Go' signal. If a copper sees you he will probably not bother unless you pull away burning rubber. Or if he's had a bad day....

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2) Can you LEGALLY go down the centre of the 2 lanes and go to the front when stopping at traphic lights?


Carefully, yes. But it's down to a coppers judgement on the 'carefully' side. I think they'd have trouble proving it in a court of law (unless you hit anything).

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3) Can you go down the left side of a car if it's stopped at traphic lights or does it have to be the centre? When I say left, I mean the outside....


The outside of a car is the right in the UK.

Overtaking on the left hand side (undertaking......) is permitted if the vehicles are 'held up' (turning right, obstructed etc). But it must be done with caution. Again, if a copper thinks you're pushing your luck, 'overtaking on the inside' will convince most magistrates.

I would rather have a copper dealing with all three of these than a camera though. The copper can see if you are being reckless or just a little risky and can usually sort it all out with a little chat.

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PostPosted: 23:57 - 01 Oct 2004    Post subject: Re: Quick questions. Reply with quote

Kryptix wrote:
I'd be greatful if you could answer these:

1) Can you pull away on normal traphic lights as soon as they go orange?
2) Can you LEGALLY go down the centre of the 2 lanes and go to the front when stopping at traphic lights?
3) Can you go down the left side of a car if it's stopped at traphic lights or does it have to be the centre? When I say left, I mean the outside....

Cheers!


Yes, yes and yes.

Amber is the signal to get ready, but if you're ready there's no law stopping you from going.
Filtering is neither legal or illegal, thus making it fine Very Happy
Undertaking is legal as long as you don't pull out dangerously to do so.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 02 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Amber means get ready to go, or stop if you can. Most of time people start to move foward when the light go amber.
2Yes as long as you don't cross a solid white line, again I wouldn't if in view of a police car for same reasons.
3. Believe so, depends mostly on how safely it is done.

With all of these if you've got a cop car in view then I wouldn't though just to not given them a reason for general hassle.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 02 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Green means go. Red and amber mean stop.
If you pull off as you get the amber sooner or later you will meet a car comming th other way on amber.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 02 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if the lights are green it is always worth having a quick look just to see that the traffic has stopped. Fair enough if you get knocked off you're legally in the right but that won't help any broken bones heal faster.
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PostPosted: 01:03 - 02 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

God, much though I hate being a pedant, it's "ff". Traffic dammit Very Happy Really sorry, but it's what I do Very Happy
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PostPosted: 02:26 - 02 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

don't lights go red, then red and orange together, then green, then orange in the UK? or have they changed since i did my test?
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PostPosted: 03:08 - 02 Oct 2004    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope they haven't changed - when the lights are on red, the orange (amber) light will come on at the same time, so as the red is still on you are not supposed to move off, but be prepared to move off instead when they go green.

When they're on green though, only amber comes on meaning to prepare to stop as the red light will soon be appearing - so yes, moving off from a traffic light when it's on amber is actually illegal as the red light is still showing! The other 2 though are down to the situation at the time and can only be deemed an offence if it's considered dangerous by an observing police officer.
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 03 Oct 2004    Post subject: Re: Quick questions. Reply with quote

Demonic69 wrote:


Yes, yes and yes.

Amber is the signal to get ready, but if you're ready there's no law stopping you from going.
Filtering is neither legal or illegal, thus making it fine Very Happy
Undertaking is legal as long as you don't pull out dangerously to do so.


Amber means stop,and when the signal goes Red/amber it simply means that the lights are about to change to green. Cross over the line before they are on green and you could get a fine and points. Even Green does not mean Go! It means that you may cross the line if it is safe to do so, nothing more!

Filtering is perfectly legal providing you do not cross or straddle a solid centre white line system, filter after a no overtaking sign or cause other traffric to alter course or speed or cause danger to other oad users, and even in many accident situations the filtering riders are being held blameless and liability is pinned on the car driver although it does very much depend on circumstances and the evidence available.

Undertaking is also perfectly legal in certain circumstances!
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