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Magic1986
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Entering a prohibited zone by motorcycle Reply with quote

Hello, I have a question. I entered to country park by mistake on a motorcycle, I drove in through the entrance road (entry by car was allowed)when I realized that entry was prohibited for motorcycles, I left immediately the park. I wouldn't want to get in trouble.I'm stressed because I'm just starting my adventure with motorcycles, I have to be more careful and I won't come to this place again. Will I be fined?
Who will prosecute such an offense , police or the council ? Are there penalty points for this?
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PostPosted: 11:42 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I presume it was a private road so it would be a civil matter between you and the land owner. Then it would come down to how clear the signeage is. Also if it's in any way worth their while persuing it, which I doubt.

I'm not aware of any public roads in the UK which allow cars but not motorcycles (maye someone is aware of one?). If it was, it would probably be a simple case of failure to comply with a traffic sign which is a small fine and no points, again, if anyone considered it worth their while persuing it. Usually the kind of thing you'd only get done for at the time if a copper saw you do it.

There are also byways which are open to traffic but which landowners sometimes put up signs saying no motorcycles on, these signs often have no legal standing.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Details are a bit vague as an example for good reason motorbikes aren't allowed in some types of zoo where animals can roam about as it isn't safe.
Not just lions but large animals like even bison or wild cattle even monkeys running loose can be aggressive and dangerous to anyone not inside a vehicle.

They have no power to send you a fine in any case.
Nothing at all will happen from what you describe as simple mistake not noticing signs.
If someone challenged you on entering but you took no notice or ignored them an offence might have been committed.
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, you calmed me down a bit
I didn't want to do something illegal. I didn't make any unnecessary noise and left the park immediately. I just started riding a motorcycle and had been to this park by car before, I had no idea that motorcycles not allowed.

Have a peaceful Sunday
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I presume it was a private road so it would be a civil matter between you and the land owner. Then it would come down to how clear the signeage is. Also if it's in any way worth their while persuing it, which I doubt.

I'm not aware of any public roads in the UK which allow cars but not motorcycles (maye someone is aware of one?). If it was, it would probably be a simple case of failure to comply with a traffic sign which is a small fine and no points, again, if anyone considered it worth their while persuing it. Usually the kind of thing you'd only get done for at the time if a copper saw you do it.

There are also byways which are open to traffic but which landowners sometimes put up signs saying no motorcycles on, these signs often have no legal standing.


Ive heard stories of a TRO being used to prevent certain vehicle types but given that OP was visiting some kind of country park I'd go with the 'landowners rules' type so id expect nothing to come of it.
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Re: Entering a prohibited zone by motorcycle Reply with quote

Magic1986 wrote:
Hello, I have a question. I entered to country park by mistake on a motorcycle, I drove in through the entrance road (entry by car was allowed)when I realized that entry was prohibited for motorcycles, I left immediately the park. I wouldn't want to get in trouble.I'm stressed because I'm just starting my adventure with motorcycles, I have to be more careful and I won't come to this place again. Will I be fined?
Who will prosecute such an offense , police or the council ? Are there penalty points for this?


It does not matter if it's public property, Local Authority property, commercial property or even private property so long as it's somewhere where the public has "full or substantial access to" then the roads, paths, trails, etc fall under the Road Traffic Act the same as fully public roads and highways and the Police can investigate and prosecute you. This is already established in case law in Adams v Metropolitan Police Commissioner [1980] RTR 289.

I've ridden plenty times on trails where I know full well I am legally not allowed to. I just pull my plate off before I do it.

Unless some busy body cunt has grassed you into the Police then you have nothing to worry about. Personally, I would stop worrying about it.
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PostPosted: 15:16 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order for you to be prosecuted for riding on private property you have to be breaking the road traffic act.

What part of the road traffic act did he break? It wouldn't be ignoring a 'no entry' sign because that applies to all vehicles.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Re: Entering a prohibited zone by motorcycle Reply with quote

Fat Angry Scotsman wrote:

It does not matter if it's public property, Local Authority property, commercial property or even private property so long as it's somewhere where the public has "full or substantial access to" then the roads, paths, trails, etc fall under the Road Traffic Act the same as fully public roads and highways and the Police can investigate and prosecute you. This is already established in case law in Adams v Metropolitan Police Commissioner [1980] RTR 289.


But is there a provision in the RTA and associated secondary regulations for a road which specifically probibits motorcycles but not other motor vehicles? To do that on the road would require a specific traffic order and signeage exemption.

I can't think which part of the RTA he'd fall foul of. If there was a no entry or no motor vehicles or a weight/width restriction (and is there such a thing as a minimum weight restriction?) then yes, but this isn't that.

All conjecture anyway. OP will be fine.
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PostPosted: 17:18 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
In order for you to be prosecuted for riding on private property you have to be breaking the road traffic act.

What part of the road traffic act did he break? It wouldn't be ignoring a 'no entry' sign because that applies to all vehicles.


You know you can be convicted for driving without due care and attention for not noticing or complying with signage right? Someone needs to watch Blackbelt Barrister more.
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PostPosted: 17:32 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Signage that follows the road traffic act yes. This sign doesn't seem to apply to any clause under the road traffic act and it's not careless driving to ignore a sign that has no legal standing under the road traffic act.

It's a bit like parking in the parent and child spaces in the supermarket. There is no equivalent in the road traffic act so you cannot be done under criminal law. Ignoring a no entry sign in there can be prosecuted under the road traffic act.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 30 Jun 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

For it to be a tangible problem you would either have to get stopped and issued a ticket by police or a council designated employee. Tickets physically issued by private bodies are "speculative invoices" and have little legal worth.

Alternatively were there any ANPR cameras? Something might turn up in the post. Again, if it's from a public authority then pay it. Private bodies can get fucked.

The closest restriction I've seen is public parks with "no commercial vehicles" signs and one of my engineers (in a marked works van) got nabbed.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 01 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one else curious to know where this park is?

I sometimes visit Grafham water ( an occasional bike meeting place) full of APNR and ride around the barriers Middle Finger Anglian Water
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 01 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

We need a link to it on Google maps so that we can see the sign which says entry is prohibited for motorcycles.
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PostPosted: 15:25 - 02 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I'm not aware of any public roads in the UK which allow cars but not motorcycles (maye someone is aware of one?).


They banned motorcycles from Rainsford Road near the Ace Cafe a few years back, due to people riding like dickheads:

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PostPosted: 16:19 - 02 Jul 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious. Not really that close to Ace Café but it is a nice long one-way straight. No oncoming traffic but don't fancy my chances against a lorry pulling out from the industrial units.
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