Number plate cloned?

[M.C]

I just received a PCN that isn't me. It's the same manufacturer but a different model of car (so easily distinguishable).

They've provided potato quality photos & one enhanced photo which shows my plate. Probably a stupid question but how infallible are the enhanced photos?

If I go one letter up on the end of my reg I get a car (on vehicle info') that matches the one photographed, although it's SORN/MOT expired in June. EDIT: checked MOT history & it's listed as an XC90 when that looks like a V50 or similar (so I'm going with cloned).

Also what do if it's cloned, contact DVLA, the police?

[stinkwheel]

Report it to the police and get a crime reference number.

Reply to the PCN, quoting the crime reference number saying it wasn't you and it isn't your car in the picture.
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[M.C]

Already reported it to the police, gonna call the DVLA now.

[stinkwheel]

It occurrs to me that it might also be an idea to tell them where your car was and who was in charge of it at the time and date in question when you reply to the PCN. Thereby totally removing any possible accusation that you "failed to furnish" their request for those details in the future.

If there isn't an applicable section on their form, just reply in writing. Keep it simple, quote their reference, say you have received their penalty charge notice and that you are not guilty, that the car pictured is not your car, that you were not the driver, that it is the registration of your car but your car is a different model, that you have reported the incident to the police with crime reference XXX and that at the locus in question your car was unattended and parked in your driveway (or wherever it was). Keep a copy and proof of postage.
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[M.C]

I made it clear my vehicle was at my home address on the day of the offence, along with providing evidence of my vehicle model and the differences with the one they photographed.

Hopefully this isn't going to be a PITA but I get that feeling.

[stinkwheel]

Worst case, they take you to court, you plead not guilty and they have no evidence of you committing an offence..
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[Easy-X]

PCN from whom? If it's not from an official government body (e.g. TFL, local council) it's hardly worth bothering to reply.
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[Skudd]

Be prepared for at least another 14 of these, do the same thing, referencing the other PNCs and that the police have been notified. Friend of mine had to get his local MP involved. He was up in Chester and all the offences were in Hackney London. It did take him a while and they were more of "we will let you off this time" rather than he was a victim.
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[M.C]

[M.C]

Appeal rejected

[stinkwheel]

Court it is then?

What was the PCN for anyway?
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“Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

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[M.C]

[sickpup]

A few years back I had the plates on my 650 Deauville cloned, the Police knew about it and didn't tell me.

The December it happened, the rider was involved in a road rage incident in New Cross and even though the number plate was recorded I never had a visit from the Police as they knew it was a cloned plate. They didn't tell me.

In around March I got a call from the Police asking me where my bike was. Outside my house I said, they said are you sure its not in a garden in Peckham and I said yes, I can see it. They said thanks and hung up.

Around June, July, August I got two speeding offences in the post from Dartford processing, Met Police where the pictures were obviously a scooter. I replied with, that isn't my bike, is obviously not my bike and I had had a call back in March where the Police knew my plate had been cloned.
Met Police told me to prove it and I told them to go fúck themselves, that it was their job to prove it was me, not my job to prove it wasn't especially when it obviously wasn't.

I got in contact with the met Police concerning the phone call I had had which conformed they had found a scooter with my plates on it but had failed to lift it and left in with the 'owner' fully knowing it had fake plates on it and had likely been used in an assault.
The Met Police Officer then got in an argument with Dartford Processing who wouldn't accept that my plates had been cloned even after it was proved on the PNC.
Ended up taking an official complaint to get them to back down and apologise.

Upshot was the bike had 'Does my bum look big in this' on the bottom of the plate, it had the extra large boxes so was 3 foot or so wide and this was added to the PNC as a marker along with the reg No. Any time it was stopped, Police checked for this line of text so god help the new owner if they remove this sticker.

If this hasn't been sorted, I would report the council officer who signed the letter for misconduct in public office, that'll make them reconsider their actions.

[Easy-X]

The problem seems to be so many systems do not have the capacity to take cloned numberplates into account.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-01-2017/0jkREp.gif

The only definitive solution is to request a new plate from the DVLA
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[stinkwheel]