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PostPosted: 16:25 - 26 Sep 2024    Post subject: What is it with rich/well off notorieties? Reply with quote

After Kier, his wife, Angela's and numerous other Labour politicians revelations about getting freebies worth rather a lot of money (as Boris did if I remember as well) it's now come out that Naomi Campbell and a few of her fasionista mates have been banned from being trustees for dipping their little piggy noses into the charity trough they were meant to be trustees of.
Naomi Campbell banned from being charity trustee

Why is it that people who are stinking rich (and I'm not critisising that, per se) feel the need to get something for nothing when it would make as big a dent in their finances as buying a blackjack would do to mine.

I suppose it's more a case of I'm so sorry (I got caught).

Still, if someone offered to buy me a Bentley, I'm sure I wouldn't say no. Thumbs Up

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70zn97q1n8o
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 26 Sep 2024    Post subject: Re: What is it with rich/well off notorieties? Reply with quote

Half these "charities" are nothing of the sort and really just another clever way to derive an income. "How can I make bank from my name?" Start a charity and gobble up the donations in consultancy fees. Fashion for Relief paid out 8.5% of their income on what you and I would call charity.

Also helps if you have a big ego: "Do you know who I am? I deserve this money!"
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PostPosted: 12:01 - 03 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep I'm cynical about 'not for profit' and especially these woke charidees and wonder about how much of the donations recieved
actually goes to the named beneficiaries after 'overheads'

BLM for one was/is utterly corrupt and probably not the only one.
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 03 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of those areas where words have two meanings. Donating to [small c] charity one would expect most of your money to go towards the cause but Charity as a legal definition is just another non-corporeal entity - like a company - with all the associated red tape.

For a really simple example, let's take a charitable foundation. Someone leaves a pile of money in trust. It gets invested (and managed... i.e. fees) and some of it gets paid out to your "on the street" charities and good causes. How much is some? No idea but usually less than 5% of total assets (as an aside, 5% is the going rate for Western countries other than the UK.)

Why? It is argued that investing and paying out returns (less expenses of course) is better long term than blowing it all in one go. Argued of course by the trustees of said foundations Rolling Eyes So yet another magnet for wealth bound up and probably doing little more for the world than an index tracking fund Sad

tl;dr Charity today is just another form of Capital Accumulation.
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 03 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Until very recently, top-flight fee-paying schools were allowed to be run as "charities". I think they've well and truly been shown their own arse now though, and not even by Labour.

My brother is pissy about this, and now paying VAT on it too because he sends both his kids to one. I did point out I already pay for his and everybody elses kids to go to school and I don't get a tax break on it, nor do I have kids.
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 03 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Until very recently, top-flight fee-paying schools were allowed to be run as "charities". I think they've well and truly been shown their own arse now though, and not even by Labour.

My brother is pissy about this, and now paying VAT on it too because he sends both his kids to one. I did point out I already pay for his and everybody elses kids to go to school and I don't get a tax break on it, nor do I have kids.


I went to a fee paying/charity school for a few years but paid almost nothing due to my parents income at the time. It was means tested to get in (unless you were paying the full £30k-ish/year) so it was a great opportunity for disadvantaged families.

Classmates were a mix from the obscene wealth to dirt poor. It was a great system and it is a shame this won't be the same.

I 100% agree that any fees paid should be subject to VAT, but the charitable status wasn't just a tax loophole that is may seem like when reading headlines.
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 04 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should VAT be paid on university tuition fees?
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 04 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Should VAT be paid on university tuition fees?


I don't think there should be tuition fees at all. I think there should be a graduate tax to fund university places. It should just straight-up go on your tax code like you would tax a benefit. Then it's proportional to your earnings.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 04 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be grants and not loans like it was bacck when I was of that age. VAT wouldnt be relevant to UK students and would only affect studeents from overseas.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 04 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
It should be grants and not loans like it was bacck when I was of that age. VAT wouldnt be relevant to UK students and would only affect studeents from overseas.


I would agree, but grants for core degrees that mean something. If you want to get a degree in flower arranging, pay for it yourself.
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 05 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's all well and good but going back to my original question, should VAT be paid on university tuition fees?
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PostPosted: 18:28 - 05 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

In principle, VAT is "Value Added Tax". Literally: did you buy something, add value and sell it to a consumer. I've always thought VAT on immaterial services shaky ground anyway.

Cutting across that is the concept of charity. Are you running your non-corporeal entity on not-for-profit or for-the-public-benefit basis? Schools and Unis can easily be run on such principles. Something like "we charge XYZ tuition fees and any profits we make go to scholarships and bursaries for improvised students who academically qualify." Obviously how many students get funded and the qualification criteria would be up for negotiation.
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PostPosted: 18:35 - 05 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
I've always thought VAT on immaterial services shaky ground anyway.



You BUY the labour of your employees by paying then.

You then SELL the fruits of that labour as a service for a higher value.

Are you suggesting the companies that are doing that are not adding any value?
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 05 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, it's something that nags at me. I would have been quite alright with writing the topic off but as you've chimed in there must be something to it Thinking
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PostPosted: 22:08 - 05 Oct 2024    Post subject: Re: What is it with rich/well off notorieties? Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Why is it that people who are stinking rich (and I'm not critisising that, per se) feel the need to get something for nothing when it would make as big a dent in their finances as buying a blackjack would do to mine.


Because they should and you should support them in it. Now get back under the stairs you horrible, jealous little man. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 07:14 - 06 Oct 2024    Post subject: Re: What is it with rich/well off notorieties? Reply with quote

sickpup wrote:
Polarbear wrote:
Why is it that people who are stinking rich (and I'm not critisising that, per se) feel the need to get something for nothing when it would make as big a dent in their finances as buying a blackjack would do to mine.


Because they should and you should support them in it. Now get back under the stairs you horrible, jealous little man. Thumbs Up


Actually it's a shoebox in the middle of the road......
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PostPosted: 11:33 - 06 Oct 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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