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PostPosted: 17:36 - 10 Apr 2025    Post subject: Camshaft locks up Reply with quote

Hi. I've just replaced the head gasket on my 2000 GS500e. Now when I tighten the cam shaft holders the cams lock up. I have them in their correct positions. A and B front left and right, C and D Inlet. Any suggestions please?

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PostPosted: 18:13 - 10 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

sure youve got the cam timing right?
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 10 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:
sure youve got the cam timing right?


My thoughts exactly, sounds very much like your timing is out and the valves are hitting one of the pistons.

Remove cams, take out the plug on the cylinder that the timing should be set on and insert a long screwdriver or rod to check where TDC occurs.
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PostPosted: 20:58 - 10 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts also, at first so I re checked and timing is spot on. I even tried it without the cam followers and chain connected. When I tighten the cam clamps they actually grip the cams. It's doing my head in because I laid everything out in the order and the position it came off.
I must be missing something, or the cam clamps have shrunk!
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 10 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it possible to have the inlet and exhaust cams swapped over?
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 10 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you put the cam caps back on the exact place and orientation they came from? Not mixed them up at all.

Pretty sure older suzukis had line-bored cam caps. So they machined them in-situ with them bolted to the head. You have to put them back where they came from. I remember it being a thing with the old GS1000 that you could crack them if you put them in the wrong place and tightened them down and if you cracked them, the head was scrap.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 11 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Have you put the cam caps back on the exact place and orientation they came from? Not mixed them up at all.



Pretty sure older suzukis had line-bored cam caps. So they machined them in-situ with them bolted to the head. You have to put them back where they came from. I remember it being a thing with the old GS1000 that you could crack them if you put them in the wrong place and tightened them down and if you cracked them, the head was scrap.

That is interesting. The cam caps are marked A,B,C,D which I followed. Pretty sure I had the cams timed up before I tightened anything down, same position when tearing down.
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PostPosted: 00:45 - 11 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
Is it possible to have the inlet and exhaust cams swapped over?


Hi. No not possible. The exhaust cam drives the rev counter
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PostPosted: 13:02 - 11 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know that particular engine but know on all the ones I have done there was always a process which must be followed
OR ELSE!
These processes usually start by checking/locking the crank in a certain position before even thinking about fitting the camshaft/s setting up timing
OR ELSE!

Have you RTFM?
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 11 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I did that. Marked everything. Engine has not moved Question
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 11 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

seasicksid wrote:
Yes, I did that. Marked everything. Engine has not moved Question


Engine has not moved since you took it apart or from when you started putting it back together after setting the crank to the correct position?

Some photos would be good, probably won't help, but you never know Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 11 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

As before I dont know the engine but do know the cams will have to be fitted in a particular attitude in respect to the position of the crank/pistons.
It appears you've got this wrong somewhere.

My advice, whip em off, RTFM and fit again carefully following the
procedure in the manual.
Which manual do you have to refer to?
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PostPosted: 15:30 - 11 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you mean by lock up? They won't turn or the engine won't turn or what?

When you install a camshaft on a multi-cylinder bike there will always be a valve that is not shut so there will always be a load on a cam lobe.
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 11 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, it is important to draw the camshafts down as evenly as possible, by tightening the cam cap bolts in a criss-cross pattern, and in several stages, a little at a time. You can't just tighten the caps down one at a time (first A, then B...). If you do that, you risk binding the camshaft, which is what appears may be happening.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 12 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you check for bent (even slightly) valves when you had teh head off?
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PostPosted: 11:25 - 12 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pete. wrote:
What do you mean by lock up? They won't turn or the engine won't turn or what?

When you install a camshaft on a multi-cylinder bike there will always be a valve that is not shut so there will always be a load on a cam lobe.

With the cam chain off you have around 130 degrees of free movement before a lobe touches a valve. With the cam clamps slightly loosened the cam moves freely. When I tighten them down to the correct torque the cam will not move
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 12 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

were these the cams that came out of this head and youve heard it run before?

Sounds like some plastiguage might be in order to measure the clearance.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 12 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

seasicksid wrote:
Pete. wrote:
What do you mean by lock up? They won't turn or the engine won't turn or what?

When you install a camshaft on a multi-cylinder bike there will always be a valve that is not shut so there will always be a load on a cam lobe.

With the cam chain off you have around 130 degrees of free movement before a lobe touches a valve. With the cam clamps slightly loosened the cam moves freely. When I tighten them down to the correct torque the cam will not move


Right that clears that up because if you line up TDC and the cam markings to fit the chain you certainly have load from a valve spring. On a normal inline-4 twin there is no psoition where the cam if free to turn without acting on a valve. All I can suggest is you set it where is can free turn and tighten each cam cap in turn and see which of them is causing it to bind.
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PostPosted: 17:20 - 12 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seen this..?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmfkhLE0Cog
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