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PostPosted: 14:09 - 16 Apr 2025    Post subject: Brake disk bolts - threadlock? Reply with quote

Replacing the SS M6 allen cap bolts with high-tensile zinc. Do people use threadlock or dry or else?

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PostPosted: 14:18 - 16 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last ones I changed had threadlock from new so I so its what
Yamaha do and its what I do.
Mulling it over, I reckon its better to have to nip them up if they come loose rather than have them run out and foul on the caliper/fork or get lost.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 16 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last OEM ones I had (for my VFR750) had blue threadlock on when they came.
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 16 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks chaps I bought some 'medium strength' threadlock so on it goes!
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PostPosted: 06:41 - 20 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes and no.
As said most come with it, can be either red or blue but many replaced discs warp because people use too much threadlock on them.

The wheel acts as a heatsink for the brake discs and threadlock can be an insulator.
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PostPosted: 12:37 - 20 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure how much heat would be transmitted through the bolts
whether threadlock is used or not due to the relatively small surface area.

An alloy hub will act as a heatsink of course, but its effectiveness will depend on
the size of the contact area and good thermal contact.
Galvanic corrosion (dissimilar metals) between the disc and hub will reduce transfer and allow more heat to build up so a thin layer of thermal grease could help by allowing heat transfer and act a barrier to reduce galvanic corrosion.
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PostPosted: 13:15 - 20 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
...so a thin layer of thermal grease...


Straight away I was thinking of the heatsinks on CPUs, etc. Regardless of how careful you are, you can't smear said grease evenly across the hub surface so the disk might lay fractionally cock-eye. Would that be a problem?
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 20 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

CPUs aren't bolted down with much pressure so any squeeze out is minimal compared to a brake disc but I'm talking thin film.
Not that i've done that as I recall but I have removed discs to find a
layer of corrosion between them and the alloy hub so it did
make me wonder about some neutralising/non reactive barrier
Stainless and ally are quite dissimilar metals so if you have this combination, its more prone to the old volcanic corruption.
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PostPosted: 17:05 - 20 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aren't you guys overthinking this a bit? I'm thinking about a full floating brake disc. How much heat sinks through the bobbins that interface the hub to the disc. I'd wager the relatively loose fit of the bobbins will act as a barrier to isolate heat in the disc. The holes/slots/petal design of the disc will aid heat migration way more than the bobbins. The disc is air-cooled.
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PostPosted: 22:10 - 20 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeffy jeffy jeffy!
This is BCF mate, we'll dicker over a post until the cows come home
and the original issue is long forgotten/ignored until
five pages in we're all shit posting about random unrelated stuff.

Go with the flow man! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:53 - 20 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
...Go with the flow man! Very Happy

I don't hear the cows yet, but I catch your drift. Thanks for setting me straight. Cool
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PostPosted: 06:52 - 21 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although proper disc bolts are usually cad ium plated high tensile steel. If they are stainless or if you lubricate them, what torque do you do them up to? Because I certainly have no idea.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 21 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

2007 Yamaha m-t 03 I have to waggle my ignition key to switch the bike on I suspect the ignition switch is worn and needs replacing The Haynes Manual tells me that if the ignition is changed the immobiliser and the ecu also have to be changed, does anybody have any knowledge of this
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PostPosted: 16:37 - 21 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloggsy wrote:
2007 Yamaha m-t 03 I have to waggle my ignition key to switch the bike on I suspect the ignition switch is worn and needs replacing The Haynes Manual tells me that if the ignition is changed the immobiliser and the ecu also have to be changed, does anybody have any knowledge of this

have you tried lubricating the lock with ptfe/silicon spray?
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PostPosted: 18:32 - 21 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes have used silicon spray squirted brake cleaner in and other lubricants
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PostPosted: 19:03 - 21 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD Forte wrote:
...the original issue is long forgotten/ignored until five pages in we're all shit posting about random unrelated stuff.

Boy Howdy! You sure hit that nail on the head. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 21 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bloggsy wrote:
2007 Yamaha m-t 03 I have to waggle my ignition key to switch the bike on I suspect the ignition switch is worn and needs replacing The Haynes Manual tells me that if the ignition is changed the immobiliser and the ecu also have to be changed, does anybody have any knowledge of this


Is ther lock itself loose or is it making poor contact internally? So basically, is mechanism of the lock itself worn or is it making a poor connection on the switch attached to the lock?

I don't know about an MT03 specifically but I have some experience of re-locking or re-keying bikes following botched theft attempts. It may be your newer bike uses a more complex system but this is my experience of both cars and bikes with immobalisers.

Immobalisers are usually dependant on a chip built into the key. The ignition lock is just a lock attached to a switch and has an antenna to detect the chip. All the computer jiggery-pokery happens in the ECU

So if you change the lock, you either need to swap the chip into the new key or program the ignition system to recognise the chip in the new key. I did the latter with Mrs stinkwheels CBR6 when I fitted a new ignition lock (previous owner had hung a massive bunch of keys off it and knackered the lock). There was a specific electrical connection and series of key movements that had to be made to put the bike into programming mode. I fitted the new lock and turned it on but held the old key next to the lock so it recognised the chip and went into learning mode, then took the old key away so it learned the new chip.

Often the ignition lock and the switch it moves are seperate things (although supplied as one thing). If it's the switch part that's gone bad, you may find you can dismantle it (with a degree of fiddling) and put your old lock cylinder onto the new switch. Or vice versa.

I have also taken the chip out of the old key and put in in the new one. On some of them it's just under a little plastic cover on the key itself you can pry off. On others it's moulded in so you either need to dremmel it out and glue it into the new one or very carefully loosen the metal part of the key from the plastic part by heating it up and swapping the two over.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 21 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Squirting jollop down the barrel is feckin useless unless the pins are sticky
The electrical switch part is usually seperate and besides it might possibly
benefit from switch cleaner not lubrication cos these things can act as insulators
on the contact pads and make things worse.
It sound like a wear/mechanical fault rather than an electrical one.

You dont say but the bike must use transponder/coded keys whic are matched with
an ECU or control box.

Fowlers list the main switch ommobiliser kit for £1190
https://www.fowlersparts.co.uk/parts/5952714/mt07-abs/electrical-2

As there were no M07's in 2007, I looked up the 2017 and work arounds for that
problem look quite feasible.
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PostPosted: 09:57 - 22 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recommend threadlock down the key slot, that and a separate thread.
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 22 Apr 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

A100man wrote:
I recommend threadlock down the key slot, that and a separate thread.


Umm.. yeah.. interesting but what colour though?

And, have we reached a quorum for a concensus driven decision on
establishing grounds for a new thread?
Otherwise there will be chaos
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