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 Posted: 11:59 - 15 Mar 2025  Post subject: Speed Awareness Course |
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This one is super annoying. In the rare event I do any travelling in my car instead of on the bike (intervals measured in years!) I get pinched doing 26mph in one of the new* 20mph zones 
The online course thing offers Trusted Training & Compliance, Drivetech from the AA, Hertfordshire County Council and Sussex County Council. Are there any notable differences between these providers or is it all the same script?
*New as in it was 30mph last time I went that way in the car.
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| Posted: 17:17 - 15 Mar 2025 Post subject: |
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I've done one and wifie has as well from different 'suppliers'. Comparing notes they are pretty similar so I expect they have a reasonably corresponding format - Both condescending crap.
The good thing is it's now online so you can sit in your onesie having a blow job while you try to look interested. In the early days when you had to attend I don't think I would have been able to act contrite. 
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I am still in the mind to refuse the course and take the points if it ever happens to me.
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| Posted: 19:12 - 15 Mar 2025 Post subject: |
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I've taken points before and I even pointedly asked the insurance people (back when you bought such things in person or over the phone) if it made any odds and they were only interested in something serious like dangerous or drunk driving, "simple" speeding didn't interest them.
Anyhoo, I'm doing the course because a) curiosity and b) it saves me 5 mins of trying to fill in the section correctly in the online insurance forms 
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I've booked an online course for next month. Tempting as an in-person course is (no difference in price) why take the chance of being flashed by a speed camera on the way? Not on the way back, obviously
I've attended many a Zoom and in-person mass-meeting. The problem with the latter is I won't be able to stop myself from answering questions to the best of my ability rather than give the acceptable answer 
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| Polarbear wrote: | | blurredman wrote: | I am still in the mind to refuse the course and take the points if it ever happens to me. |
Well I remember nobby saying 3 points won't make any difference to insurance costs but when the cost for the course is pretty much the same as the fine to me it's a no brainer, I still have a clean licence. |
Mainly for the convenience of not being condescended to. I get enough of that for free I'm not going to pay for it. I'd rather pay not to have it.
As it is, on comparison websites, declaring 3 points made no difference, just like my accidents - Infact this last renewal it went down.
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"A frequently asked question from people being offered and attending courses is whether or not an NDORS course offer and attendance should be notified to their insurers. Legal advice is that attendance on an NDORS course is not a conviction, nor should it be treated as a conviction, unlike a fixed penalty.
NDORS Data is NOT shared with insurance companies and they have no access to it."
https://www.ukroed.org.uk/faqs/how-will-attendence-on-an-ndors-course-affect-my-insurance/
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| Posted: 18:47 - 16 Mar 2025 Post subject: |
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| Polarbear wrote: | | blurredman wrote: | I am still in the mind to refuse the course and take the points if it ever happens to me. |
Well I remember nobby saying 3 points won't make any difference to insurance costs but when the cost for the course is pretty much the same as the fine to me it's a no brainer, I still have a clean licence. |
I just took the 3 points (36 in a 30) on the basis that 3 points makes no difference to insurance but 6 points does. Better to have the clock ticking down on the 3 points and a speed awareness course still available as an option if I get caught again while that's happening.
Policy is working so-far, 3 months left on my 3 points.
Also, I have incredible difficulty not telling someone when they are wrong and it's possible to fail a speed awareness course. I can see it now
"What's the number one cause of accidents?"
"For fatal drink driving, for non-fatal, driver error by a massive margin." .
"No speeding."
"Sorry, you're wrong, neither ROSPA or the ONS figures support that, speeding is tied equal third with inexperienced driver, would you like me to find the statistical report for you?"
"GTFO of my class."
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TBH the course I attended was not at all judgemental nor condescending and the guy was perfectly pleasant.
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With mine, the thing that stuck in my craw was the 'Speed kills' every 5 minutes because it's not true. Speed only kills in association with something else or Germany's autobahns would be full of dead people.
But on my course we got the difference between 29mph and 32 mph and the results to hitting a child at those different speeds (it's always children you hit in mythical safety land  ). So with that argument reduce all speed limits to 20 like they've done in sheep shagger land except there comes a point where they (the powers that be) are willing to put up with dead people because we can't slow everyone down too much, the country will grind to a halt, basically making speed limits an arbitrary figure that the people who set them can live with the results.
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You can also factor in that it is WAY safer for a pedestrian to be hit at 30mph by a modern car than it was in the 60's due to changes in bumper, bonnet and engine bay design. Yet the urban speed limit has not changed.
So it's really a case of altering the narrative to suit the policy.
In fairness, I was once stopped by a copper doing 50 in a 30 and was let off with a warning. He said he was getting all ready to walk back down the road to give me a 3 points and a lecture about what if it had been a child running out rather than a copper with a speed gun stepping into the road. However, since I actually pulled up a good 6 feet short of him, that wasn't going to fly. I think he was taken a bit off guard by the effectiveness of my emergency stop.
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| Polarbear wrote: | making speed limits an arbitrary figure |
20mph is exactly that.
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In fairness, I was once stopped by a copper doing 50 in a 30 and was let off with a warning. He said he was getting all ready to walk back down the road to give me a 3 points and a lecture about what if it had been a child running out rather than a copper with a speed gun stepping into the road. However, since I actually pulled up a good 6 feet short of him, that wasn't going to fly. I think he was taken a bit off guard by the effectiveness of my emergency stop. |
So he gunned you and then decided to step out - brave guy!
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| stinkwheel wrote: | I just took the 3 points (36 in a 30) on the basis that 3 points makes no difference to insurance but 6 points does. Better to have the clock ticking down on the 3 points and a speed awareness course still available as an option if I get caught again while that's happening.
Policy is working so-far, 3 months left on my 3 points.
Also, I have incredible difficulty not telling someone when they are wrong and it's possible to fail a speed awareness course. I can see it now
"What's the number one cause of accidents?"
"For fatal drink driving, for non-fatal, driver error by a massive margin." .
"No speeding."
"Sorry, you're wrong, neither ROSPA or the ONS figures support that, speeding is tied equal third with inexperienced driver, would you like me to find the statistical report for you?"
"GTFO of my class." |
15 years on the roads and only last year had my first speeding fine, (47 in a 40, 30ft from NSL sign...) went for the course offered.
They didn't take that confrontational attitude when it comes to the debate side. Rather the course runner admitted that speeding is the easier variable to measure and control in lieu of driver error ("we can't prevent all accidents but can mitigate the amount of damage").
I did mine online which comically has a time limit, so they spend loads of effort advising to set off earlier, plan journeys ahead, and avoid stressful driving times...then rush through the whole thing because the next course is due to run
@Easy-X just be aware if you do yours online to make sure the join links work (can be classed as non attending easily if you get a strict runner or have technical issues). They also require no one else be in the room at all times throughout, though they were understanding when my 6 yr old walked in they can 'fail' for it if harsh enough.
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