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PostPosted: 23:10 - 23 Dec 2024    Post subject: Keir Starmer Reply with quote

Just a sort of question or observation. Why is KS so reviled. I can't think of a PM that is despised even by supporters of his party. Boris was an asshole but he wasn't getting anywhere near the level of abuse KS is getting.

I can't see him lasting till the next election.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 24 Dec 2024    Post subject: Re: Keir Starmer Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
I can't think of a PM that is despised even by supporters of his party.

He purged all the Corbynites so the Labour hardcore hate him. His election was due to the Conservative (entirely deserved) implosion.

Since being elected he's pissed off...
- the Northern working class
- pensioners
- farmers
- pub-goers
- 'waspi' women
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PostPosted: 19:13 - 24 Dec 2024    Post subject: Re: Keir Starmer Reply with quote

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Polarbear wrote:
I can't think of a PM that is despised even by supporters of his party.

He purged all the Corbynites so the Labour hardcore hate him. His election was due to the Conservative (entirely deserved) implosion.

Since being elected he's pissed off...
- the Northern working class
- pensioners
- farmers
- pub-goers
- 'waspi' women


and 'Ghey scooty slags for Pelistan' supporters like moi
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 24 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two Tier Kier
Keir Starmer, Granny Harmer
Save this Farmer from Starmer
Kier "Bill Gates and Blackrock charmer" Starmer

A man with no ambitions, no dreams, no inner monologue, no depth of character, a double digit IQ and a driving ideology. Does he care that people hate him? I doubt if he has the psychological make-up to understand such things.

He makes rule by the Lizard People look like a step up.
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 24 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy-X wrote:
Two Tier Kier
Keir Starmer, Granny Harmer
Save this Farmer from Starmer
Kier "Bill Gates and Blackrock charmer" Starmer

A man with no ambitions, no dreams, no inner monologue, no depth of character, a double digit IQ and a driving ideology. Does he care that people hate him? I doubt if he has the psychological make-up to understand such things.

He makes rule by the Lizard People look like a step up.


Yet he ended up as both PM and Director of Public Prosecutions.

Whats your excuse?
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PostPosted: 22:37 - 24 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was also DPP when the CPS decided not to prosecuted Jimmy Saville.

I'm not saying he was involved in that decision, but its definitely coloured people's opinion of him rightly of wrongly.
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PostPosted: 23:05 - 24 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:

Yet he ended up as both PM and Director of Public Prosecutions.

Whats your excuse?


I can understand you defending him Nobby, from the political point of view, but there is something not quite right about the bloke. As Easy says, lizard people have more emotion.
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 25 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Yet he ended up as both PM and Director of Public Prosecutions.


A comment on the system that placed him there rather than the man, surely?

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Whats your excuse?


Excuse for not being PM? Unfortunately I score zero for psychopathy so I'm precluded from seeking political office.
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 25 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hes a very boring person.

Which after the past decade of clownshow and performance politics is probably what we need.

Problem is people dont like boring, because its boring, and they dont like being told all the populist nonsense the Tories and Reform are spouting are infact complete nonsense.

The country is fucked, and its going to take a lot of unfucking, hes won such a massive majority that he can afford to expend political capital to make the unpopular choices early on and hopefully see the benefit in 4-5 years time when the next election rolls around and that people will have forgotten this by then, because the general voting populace have very short memories.
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PostPosted: 10:11 - 25 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tierbirdy wrote:


The country is fucked, and its going to take a lot of unfucking, hes won such a massive majority that he can afford to expend political capital to make the unpopular choices early on and hopefully see the benefit in 4-5 years time when the next election rolls around and that people will have forgotten this by then, because the general voting populace are cretins.


Fixed that for you.
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 25 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 00:31 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

duhawkz wrote:
He was also DPP when the CPS decided not to prosecuted Jimmy Saville.

I'm not saying he was involved in that decision, but its definitely coloured people's opinion of him rightly of wrongly.

Wouldn't Kier ultimately be responsible?

As the DPP, you'll lead over 6,000 staff and have responsibility for hundreds of thousands of cases carried out by the Crown Prosecution Service every year.
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
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He was also DPP when the CPS decided not to prosecuted Jimmy Saville.

I'm not saying he was involved in that decision, but its definitely coloured people's opinion of him rightly of wrongly.

Wouldn't Kier ultimately be responsible?

As the DPP, you'll lead over 6,000 staff and have responsibility for hundreds of thousands of cases carried out by the Crown Prosecution Service every year.


I used to run a fleet of ships. I was reliant on being kept informed of what was going on by underlings. I presume it is the same in politics. It's easy to sit and slate people who Have to run large organizations especially if you have no knowledge of actually doing it.
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PostPosted: 03:15 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then it's a question of whether we want leaders to be proactive or reactive.

Reactive - wait until your underlings report a problem and deal with it. Be accused of laziness and shirking responsibility if they hide things from you.

Proactive - get down on the shop floor, see what's going on, pitch in when you see the need. Be accused of bullying staff and micromanaging.
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PostPosted: 04:11 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Queer Kier takes it up the rear if what I heard is true. His best pal is actually his very best pal.

I don't care if my spelling is wrong
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PostPosted: 07:41 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

I used to run a fleet of ships. I was reliant on being kept informed of what was going on by underlings. I presume it is the same in politics. It's easy to sit and slate people who Have to run large organizations especially if you have no knowledge of actually doing it.


there is no way in hell that two tier wouldnt have been involved the case against king Charles buddy.
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PostPosted: 11:02 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:

I used to run the Kreigsmarine. I was reliant on being kept informed of what was going on by underlings . I presume it is the same in politics. It's easy to sit and slate people who Have to run large organizations especially if you have no knowledge of actually doing it.
The sinking of the Bismark was not my fault


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PostPosted: 11:09 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

to v or not to v wrote:
Polarbear wrote:

I used to run a fleet of ships. I was reliant on being kept informed of what was going on by underlings. I presume it is the same in politics. It's easy to sit and slate people who Have to run large organizations especially if you have no knowledge of actually doing it.


there is no way in hell that two tier wouldnt have been involved the case against king Charles buddy.


Yes, he wouldn't have touched the case where I only took that bottle of
cider outside of Lidls to see if it had travelled well and was unfairly charged with shop lifting
but would/should have been well informed of high profile cases.
Otherwise, what's the point of him?
He was knighted for being a Blair toady, thassal
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
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I used to run a fleet of ships. I was reliant on being kept informed of what was going on by underlings. I presume it is the same in politics. It's easy to sit and slate people who Have to run large organizations especially if you have no knowledge of actually doing it.

That's irrelevant, the whole reason they get the big money is they're ultimately responsible. I worked for a company where fraud was being committed on one of the contracts, no one thought the CEO was involved, or even had any knowledge of it but they ultimately had to resign because it happened on their watch.

He was the head of the CPS when they let a prolific pedophile off the hook, and sorry "wasn't me guv" or "you couldn't possibly understand minion" doesn't cut it.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:

That's irrelevant, the whole reason they get the big money is they're ultimately responsible. I worked for a company where fraud was being committed on one of the contracts, no one thought the CEO was involved, or even had any knowledge of it but they ultimately had to resign because it happened on their watch.

He was the head of the CPS when they let a prolific pedophile off the hook, and sorry "wasn't me guv" or "you couldn't possibly understand minion" doesn't cut it.


You are absolutely correct. The higher up the ladder you go, the more you are held to account for failures which is as it should be. But, sometimes you can't do anything about those failures happening but how you respond is critical. As shown in the Post Office scandal or the CofE bishops doing wrong.

If KS was instrumental in squashing JS getting prosecuted he should be hung out to dry. I'm presuming he wasn't as surely it would all have come out in the wash. Should he be held responsible just because he was in charge of the CPS at the time?, not if someone else made the decision not to prosecute. Just my view.
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PostPosted: 12:36 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...because the media tell you he is. The reality I imagine is that he is a decent bloke having to make financial decisions that the Tories didn't have the bottle to do because there was an election coming up.
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PostPosted: 13:35 - 26 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Diggs wrote:
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...because the media tell you he is.


Correction: because Starmer tells you himself. He's in front of cameras making statements or doing interviews all the time. Are you saying the media put him up to it?

If you feel life is over for you and there's no hope in sight you could spend your last moments reading this mini-biography from the Guardian. Bear in mind this is the best attempt out there to paint a human face on Starmer:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/22/you-asked-me-questions-ive-never-asked-myself-keir-starmers-most-personal-interview-yet
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PostPosted: 23:03 - 30 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sir Keir has just awarded his mate a Knighthood.
I'm sure that most Londoners will be delighted...
Arise Sir Sadiq Aman Khan...
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 31 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

They do seem to keep voting for him so presumably they are happy with his performance.
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PostPosted: 21:39 - 31 Dec 2024    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
They do seem to keep voting for him so presumably they are happy with regardless of his performance.


FTFY. Certain people would vote for a plank of 2x4 if it attended the mosque on Fridays. It's called "in-group preference".
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