Renters Rights Bill.

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So, this is supposed to be the final day of discussions/opposition before the bill is either approved or rejected...

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3764/stages/20182
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Seems nobody here cares about this and that's okay because you must all either be homeowners or Landlords but it came as no surprise to me that this bill "still" hasn't been passed and "still" has MPs opposing it so now it's gone back for more amendments and further debate.

FFS. I can't believe how long this is going on for and how Parliament couldn't care less about the rights and housing of good renters/tenants.

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[Ste]

There will be fewer places to rent and rents on those properties will be higher. There will be more and more hoops for prospective tenants to jump through and landlords will become more selective about who they will accept as a guarantor.

It will do nothing to stop slum landlords or unlicensed overcrowded HMOs.

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I’m a renter, regrettably never got a mortgage due to spending my late 20s in education, graduating into a recession and then finding the only way into my chosen profession was via agencies and short term contracts on modest pay. Being most-often single doesn’t help but I’m an introvert so…

After assembly-line work post-graduation and then the aforementioned contracting I eventually got back into “a proper job” (staff) at 38 but still the pay isn’t what most people expect when you say where you work. I tried to buy a maisonette, it fell through. At the time I thought prices were becoming crazy and I remembered the ‘80s negative-equity crisis so I waited… and prices just went higher.

I’m now facing retirement in a couple of years and frankly looking forward to it. If I relocate far away from the south-east my company shares might be enough to buy a property, and I’ll have a reasonable pension. Mum’s Alzheimer’s care consumed the value of my childhood home so the inheritance I’d partly counted on won’t happen.

I’ve rented various properties and had to leave twice when the landlord decided to sell up. Three months to find somewhere new, it’s difficult, expensive and stressful. I rent through a decent agency but I try to keep my head down, maintaining what I can lest the landlord decides it’s not worth it. As a responsible tenant with a good landlord and agency I’m not convinced this bill helps. It might deter decent landlords.

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[Polarbear]

I dont think that it will be a cure all. There are too many people after too few properties and anything that makes the smaller landlord (people with a couple of properties as their pension) worried is going to drive them out of letting and to sell up.

Big business does not give a flying f about their properties or tenants, just the profit and loss ledger. They will find ways round legislation.

The only way to drop rents is reduce the demand which a) means building millions of social homes and/or b) Reducing the hundreds of thousands who immigrate to the \UK each year and need somewhere to live.

Good luck with that.
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[Ste]

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This all sounds like another example of the question: "who really owns property?" If the government issues a gazillion edicts on what you can and cannot do with your property, is it really yours? How long before the magic words "rent controls" are mentioned?!

Something like "no fault evictions" should be dealt with in the rental contract. "But! But! Landlords won't put protections into contracts, we must force them!" Treat the symptoms, avoid talking about the underlying cause. Import a billion Bomalians, demand for housing goes up, available properties become scarce, renting is a "sellers market" and therefore landlords are in the position to dictate terms. But no, this would expose the traitorous actions of successful governments so the whole system will instead be rigged.

Just be honest: confiscate all property and put it under State control, it pretty much is anyway.
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[Polarbear]

If I was single, I'd go and live on my boat. No council tax, no utilities to pay, just a license to buy and some diesel every now and again. Bliss.

I really pity renters when they get to OAP status. My utilities and council tax are bloody extortionate. To have to pay rent on top of that, well it's bordering on larceny. No wonder van lifers are increasing drastically.

But back on topic, will this bill cure anything? I have no idea as I haven't rented a property since I was early 20's, back in the late 70's when it was easy and cheap to rent. From what I can see Easy is correct, it's trying to fix the symptoms, not curing the problem.

The one person who used to be a landlord on here was Grr666 but of course he's not around now so his input is lost. For the rest of us it's either from the renters point of view or from an outsider looking in. Not really balanced is it.

I am still convinced that the reason housing and rents have rocketed is 90% down to mass immigration and how do you fix that, it's impossible now. I think rent controls are going to happen (Isn't it going ahead in Jockland?) and then just about every private landlord will sell up and put their money into something else. Unless the government/councils buy the houses they will be lost to the rental market.
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[Ste]

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[Ste]

Removal of section 21 no fault evictions doesn't give the security that renters want. All that changes is the process is dressed up slightly differently and it takes a little bit longer.

Your landlord can evict you under section 8 because they want to substantially redevelop the property which cannot be done with the tenant in situ.

The landlord could also evict you because they themselves or their close family member wishes to move into the property. That can't be done within the first 12 months of a tenancy

Those two reasons sound particularly easy to misuse They would have to give you four months notice for those rather than the two months notice for a section 21. The landlord also has to apply for a possession order and the bailiffs then have due process to follow so the eviction process is slow and there's plenty tenants can do to drag it out.

The advice from councils is do not leave until bailiffs are kicking you out because if you move out earlier than that you're intentionally making yourself homeless which means the council doesn't have to help you. That's clearly ridiculous and the renters rights bill doesn't fix anything there.

The idea of reforming the rights of people living in rental properties is long overdue and the bill sounds excellent at face value however it's not going to bring real changes that would benefit society.

[Easy-X]

Ste, have you considered volunteering at your local Citizens' Advice Bureau?
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[Ste]

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[Fat Angry Scotsman]

My plan is that when the business is sold, hopefully my shareholding will bring me in about £1.76m, which is £1,361,800 after paying CGT and then I will buy up a load of one and two bedroom flats and let them out then move my ass to a warmer and cheaper country and retire and live off the passive income.

That's the plan anyway. Which means it won't come true and I will die a depressed pauper in the rain in fucking blighty.
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