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PostPosted: 01:24 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Test riding! Reply with quote

I thought it was a hassle when I was on a CBT but passing my test hasn’t really improved the situation.

My local dealer want a grand on my credit card but no restrictions on me being a new rider but literally everywhere else want me to hold a full licence for 2 years..

(Superbike Factory give a 14 day money back guarantee if you buy online.. that would give me enough to have a ride & get it checked out but would cost £179 fee for the privilege!)

How the fuck are you supposed to get a feel for a bike before buying one if you can’t ride it?

Can someone enlighten me please!?
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PostPosted: 01:53 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe pootle about on a bog standard second-hand bike. Something like an MT07 is very easy going, 350 Enfields are pretty cheap if you want something tamer. You're never going to find your ideal bike on the first attempt anyway. I'm on my 4th or 5th I think... I have a good feeling about my GT though Smile
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PostPosted: 02:59 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

You’re kind of missing the point.. I can’t try any of these bikes because they won’t let me ride them… before I buy one.
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PostPosted: 06:33 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrypticCrud wrote:
You’re kind of missing the point.. I can’t try any of these bikes because they won’t let me ride them… before I buy one.

try looking at private sales. some will let you have a test ride.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

The £1k on the credit card is just a deposit.

Don't crash the bike and you'll get it back.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm only on my 3rd bike (in 7 years of riding), the last 2 bought from dealers, never once had a test ride

You should get a decent enough feel for the ergonomics by simply sitting on it in the dealers

What sort of bike are you after anyway?
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PostPosted: 12:41 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

rpsmith79 wrote:


What sort of bike are you after anyway?


The dream bike was a sports bike, but all the ones I’ve SAT on seem to give my hips / legs a work out, not to mention the wrist issues.

I don’t want to rule out the dream unless I really have to but having sat on a few already I’m beginning to think that I’m just too tall.

I don’t really know what I want but I wanna try as many as possible to find it out… then I guess I’ll know what I want!
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PostPosted: 13:37 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

If they think you're a serious buyer then they'll make it happen rather than putting barriers between you and their commission.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrypticCrud wrote:
The dream bike was a sports bike, but all the ones I’ve SAT on seem to give my hips / legs a work out, not to mention the wrist issues.

I don’t want to rule out the dream unless I really have to but having sat on a few already I’m beginning to think that I’m just too tall.


If your hips/legs/wrists are screwed by merely sitting on a particular bike, then actually riding one isn't going to help.

By the way, have you tried https://cycle-ergo.com/ ?
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sit on 'em, that's all I usually do.

For the GT I purposely didn't test ride it when offered. I thought it likely after one ride I'd fall in love with it; I wanted some clinical detachment so I could haggle down the price without a giddy feeling of anticipation in the back of my mind Very Happy
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freddyfruitbat wrote:


If your hips/legs/wrists are screwed by merely sitting on a particular bike, then actually riding one isn't going to help.

By the way, have you tried https://cycle-ergo.com/ ?


I don’t agree.. if I haven’t been running for ages my muscles ache because I haven’t used them for ages but they tend to improve after a few runs.. same as a new bike.. if I haven’t tried one before how I do know it’s not just a posture I haven’t adopted before.. this is why I don’t want to rule anything out until I’ve tried them.

No I’ve not tried that link.. the figures mean very little. It’s not like they can tell me if I’m going to ache or not.

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Sat on a Fireblade today and I couldn’t get comfortable at all. This was more a leg thing than a wrist thing but I think I can rule one of them out.
Then sat on a Ninja, now that wasn’t too bad but again I felt uncomfortable not to the extent of the Blade.. but is this because it’s a new position? Sat in a showroom is not really getting a real feel for it though.

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Took an GSX-8R out for a spin after. Shoulder ache on that thing but I think that’s me tensing up as it’s not mine and I was worried about crashing it. I did open it up a bit and it was fun but not a get your rocks off kinda rush that I was hoping for.

Maybe I’m hoping / expecting the dream and getting a dose of reality!

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Got outside the bike shop and some bloke said his missus wants my bike. Gave me his number and we’ve arranged to meet (in a public place) so she can have a look round it. Who knows, I could be a few grand closer to getting a new bike!
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PostPosted: 19:58 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrypticCrud wrote:
…No I’ve not tried that link.. the figures mean very little. It’s not like they can tell me if I’m going to ache or not.

The bike-ergonomics website is a very useful tool; you can use the knee, hip, and lean angles to compare the ergos of unknown motorcycles to ones that you know. If you are comfortable on your current bike, look for motorcycles that have similar ergo angles. If you run across a bike that blatantly does not fit you, take note and look for something a little less aggressive.

Most sport bikes de-prioritize rider comfort at the expense of performance. Depending on your physical dimensions and age, you might want to consider a naked bike or a standard bike, which usually place the rider in a more upright riding position, but which may not compromise much in terms of performance.

In California, you see a lot of sport bike riders cruising around with their left hand on their hip. They don’t do it coz it looks cool, they do it because they don’t have the abdominal strength to support their upper body and keep the weight off their wrists. If you need your arms to support your upper body on a sport bike, you’re doing it wrong. You will sacrifice handling performance to avoid wrist pain. Better to find a bike with a more upright riding position.
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

its dealers insurance, just like us they have to shop around for cover

so the better quotes come back with restrictions on demo ride cover which is a lot cheaper, thousands of ££s cheaper its any easy choice

when I started out there was no such thing as a demo bike/ride, we bought what our hearts desired and enjoyed that we had what we wanted
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

andys675 wrote:
its dealers insurance

The dealer can still make it happen if they want to. You'll have to wait around for a short time whilst they make the necessary phone calls but it's no big deal for them.

If they think you're serious then they're going to want to make the test ride happen. They want you to buy from them rather than anyone else so of course they're going to want you to test ride it.

If OP asks questions about how whatever bike compares to the GSX-8R they test rode then that's a good start to the conversation where they'll offer a test ride rather than making excuses.

Superbike factory want £1,000 deposit? Fuck that, go buy from somewhere else. It's not like they're renowned for quality control of the bikes they stock, they are webuyanybike.com who pay peanuts for anything. Sure they've got plenty of good bikes in their showroom but they're mixed in with the pieces of shit ticking time bombs that people flogged to webuyanybike.
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PostPosted: 21:45 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeffyjeff wrote:
If you are comfortable on your current bike, look for motorcycles that have similar ergo angles.


My current bike is a Monkey.. I don’t have any angles lol, but I know what you’re saying lol.

Ste wrote:

It's not like they're renowned for quality control of the bikes they stock,


Yeah I’ve been warned about the crap they possess.. but with 14 days I can take it my local dealer and get them to check it out. (That was my thinking) & take it back if the alarm bells are sounded.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 28 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

CrypticCrud wrote:
but with 14 days I can take it my local dealer and get them to check it out. (That was my thinking) & take it back if the alarm bells are sounded.

They offer that guarantee for bikes bought online or over the phone. And they say the bike can't have done more than 30 miles.

Regardless of their 14 day money back guarantee, you have a statutory right to reject a vehicle for a full refund within 30 days of purchase if it is faulty, unfit for purpose, or not as described. That's not to say the dealer would make it easy for you, they can fuck you around and they can make it a complete headache.

Should you reject the vehicle and return it to them, are you going to be completely screwed if they're not forthcoming with refunding you in full? You won't have the bike and you won't have the refund to use to buy a replacement. It would take weeks or months for you to actually get the money back after seeking resolution through the courts, would that be a problem for you?
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PostPosted: 08:30 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

where abouts in the country are you?
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
would that be a problem for you?



Dealing with charlatans you’d expect that kinda thing. I don’t want to deal with them but if I have to I will.. begrudgingly!
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PostPosted: 10:14 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just buy an R1. A used older one. Comfiest thing i have ridden sports bike wise, closely followed by K5/6 GSXR1000.

They are however not built for comfort, turning up on a monkey would instantly make me think you were testing for fun, not serious etc.

Find some change down the back of the sofa. Grab a 2001 R1 and have a laugh.
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PostPosted: 10:22 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't have to, there's no shortage of other dealers to choose from.

The place that let you test ride a GSX-8R, why not have a look at other bikes they've got?

Go to other places as well, being able to talk with them about the GSX-8R you looked at and tried at [insert name of that dealer] is a good starting point, they'll ask what you liked about it and you can ask what they've got which which might be a good first big bike. That's a much easier conversation than if you're walking in having never ridden any big bikes.

Some of them will play ball and be interested in you becoming a customer of theirs. They'll know that if they help you at this point then there's a good chance of you returning to them in the future.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've mostly bought my bikes privately over the years and always found the sellers to be reasonable and let me go for a short ride to test them out - I just leave my own keys with them, or my daughter if she's with me Laughing .
I did try out some Multistrada's a few years ago and the first test ride I went a few blocks and did a u-turn, spun the rear wheel and almost dropped it. If I had I would have just bought it, but it's the risk a lot of us take with buying and selling.

I've found dealerships are hit and miss, no way am I paying to test ride a bike or buying with that 14 day return thing. You really think they're just going to hand the money back and go 'Sure, ok'!
I've had dealerships refuse me a test ride before because they didn't want the bike getting dirty. It's just a case of searching around, have a phone call beforehand if they're further away and being willing to travel to find the right places.
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

P. wrote:
turning up on a monkey would instantly make me think you were testing for fun, not serious etc.

Grab a 2001 R1 and have a laugh.


I can’t see how turning up on a Monkey makes me any less serious than any other buyer, but more fool them.. the money I save using it doing 150+ to the gallon means I can pay cash for my next bike.. but someone else did say turn up on a car and see if reactions are different.

Yeah an R1 *licks lips*
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PostPosted: 15:35 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
You don't have to, there's no shortage of other dealers to choose from.

The place that let you test ride a GSX-8R, why not have a look at other bikes they've got?

Go to other places as well, being able to talk with them about the GSX-8R you looked at and tried at [insert name of that dealer] is a good starting point, they'll ask what you liked about it and you can ask what they've got which which might be a good first big bike. That's a much easier conversation than if you're walking in having never ridden any big bikes.

Some of them will play ball and be interested in you becoming a customer of theirs. They'll know that if they help you at this point then there's a good chance of you returning to them in the future.


Yup my local dealers are fab. Nothing has been too much trouble, they’re always on the look out for middle of the road bikes that I maybe interested in. They’ve got a shedload of bikes in but nothing that floats my boat.

I have been elsewhere and although they’re initially licking my boots.. when I give them my budget (£5k & growing monthly) you can see the interest draining out of them. (CMC Clay Cross are awful)

I have had a look round other places but I don’t have the gift of the gab and I don’t have any bike mates that can talk the talk on my behalf!

I will keep looking though!
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PostPosted: 15:36 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

Btw thank you to everyone who has replied!
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PostPosted: 20:06 - 29 Oct 2025    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rarely feel 'at one' with a new/different bike so I'm not sure what a test ride will do.

You get to check out the brakes and acceleration and vibrations but the handling is nealy always something that I have to 'aclimatise' to.

This is espcially true if you're moving from a lighweight to a bike with some heft that requires some physical man-handling.. (thinking back to my first rides on teh FZ750).
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